dunno if this is a repost, I don't care, watch it again and make me happy

http://www.radford.edu/~jseemuell/neons.wmv

I'm dyin' :D
Getting beat by the VR4 is the best.

wha.. the turbo van is bettar !!!

Van > *

That video made my day. I wonder if anyone posted that in the SRT forums.

Van > *

That video made my day. I wonder if anyone posted that in the SRT forums.


lol.. where do you think I got it from ?

lol.. where do you think I got it from ?
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Ok so I jaunt over the SRT forums and I see this!!
I hope it's not anyone here. But I think it's that todd dude with the CF hood. What do you guys think?
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101977

phew.. thought that was gonne be something about me

All I know is that the sound of the Mustang in the begining gives me goosebumps. Woof!~

And that video is a lie!~ Srt4 is fastar damnit.

wow, i think i got dumbAr by reading that site.

What was that last car? A corrolla?

What was that last car? A corrolla?

Galant VR4.

DSM in a non bloated candy shell :D

wow, i think i got dumbAr by reading that site.

no way.. best site.. EVAR !!

I like how all these kids feel like they could take out every single car in the world.

I like how all these kids feel like they could take out every single car in the world.


well.. they can.. they are in a SRT-4

Now if the SRT4 was only made of carbonfiberglass. Then it really would be unbeatable!

Now if the SRT4 was only made of carbonfiberglass. Then it really would be unbeatable!

OHSNAP !!!!!

dont give dodge any ideas please.. its already fast enough

WRX kill? wtf! Where is the prove he knows the difference between WRX and regular impreza?

Ok so I jaunt over the SRT forums and I see this!!
I hope it's not anyone here. But I think it's that todd dude with the CF hood. What do you guys think?
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101977


OMFG, I am teh DumbAr now. Thx..

Never visited that place, there seems to be a few ok guys, but more trolls and idiots than nabisco.

Hmm reading thos forums:
SRT-4 > E46 M3
SRT-4> MkIV Supra TT
SRT-4> EVO MR
SRT-4>STi
SRT-4>03-04 Cobra
SRT-4>05 Mustang GT
SRT-4>LS1 SS
SRT-4>WS6
SRT-4>S2000
SRT-4>Dinan S3 E36 M3(supecharged)
SRT-4>350Z(that's zed damn it, not Z :p)
SRT-4>R-34 Skyline
SRT-4>Elise
SRT-4>911 Carrera 4
SRT-4>GTO
SRT-4>E55 AMG

I guess the SRT-4 > * , Im gunna go slap my neck and marry my sister, then buy me an SRT-4 becuz it is teh bettAr

Don't get me wrong, it's a great little car for what it is, but those monkeys need to get off the high horse. They use the "I'm faster and Cheaper" clause anywhere possible, or the "But yours cost more" when they get their ass handed to them.

There's a guy here that has a SRT 4, and he claims it dynos at 280hp stock.

Of course, he also claimed that his orevious road racing 98 Passat had a 65mm swaybar.

rofl....i love the comparison or the SRT4 vs the NEon .. HAHAHAHAH

Hi all,
great video! I know a guy with an srt that is just like that, kept saying he would blow away my 03 wrx wagon, but would never take it to the street, said I wasn't worth his time...

Welcome to SRIC.
Enjoy your stay. :)

Welcome to the club ;)

Of course, he also claimed that his orevious road racing 98 Passat had a 65mm swaybar.

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN................. Gina....... You think that would fit on my car?!?!:)

The infamous soup can sway bar, yes. The grip is immense!~

He must be able to make like 2gs on the skidpad!

its funny how they always compare our cars, lets put a 2.4L engine in our wrx instead of a 2.o and see what happens:) Just look at mikes car...

That was an awesome video That will go in my video collection

i think deep down inside, we are all jealous of teh uber neon.

this should be moved to the videos section.

yes, i know i am a jackass :D

I already has RussB!

OMFG, I am teh DumbAr now. Thx..

Never visited that place, there seems to be a few ok guys, but more trolls and idiots than nabisco.

Hmm reading thos forums:
SRT-4 > E46 M3
SRT-4> MkIV Supra TT
SRT-4> EVO MR
SRT-4>STi
SRT-4>03-04 Cobra
SRT-4>05 Mustang GT
SRT-4>LS1 SS
SRT-4>WS6
SRT-4>S2000
SRT-4>Dinan S3 E36 M3(supecharged)
SRT-4>350Z(that's zed damn it, not Z :p)
SRT-4>R-34 Skyline
SRT-4>Elise
SRT-4>911 Carrera 4
SRT-4>GTO
SRT-4>E55 AMG

I guess the SRT-4 > * , Im gunna go slap my neck and marry my sister, then buy me an SRT-4 becuz it is teh bettAr

Don't get me wrong, it's a great little car for what it is, but those monkeys need to get off the high horse. They use the "I'm faster and Cheaper" clause anywhere possible, or the "But yours cost more" when they get their ass handed to them.

CLASSIC,
I remember when I was in High School and this kid had a pos Integra "that could beat anything" actually was more like would race anything, they would kill him off the line, they would then assume the race was over and he would then fly past long after the other guy was on his breaks, and after all this claim he won. I know because he raced my 190 16V Merc and did this exact thing. I HATE those clowns.

Lol

i had a freaking srt4 neon highbeaming me for 20mins on the freeway waiting for me to race him. At the time i didn't kno it was a uber fast neon becuase i couldn't see anything thanks to the high beams. I didn't bite becuase i didnt kno wat it was and 20mins later he pulls a ricer flyby and thinks he accomplished something.

phew good thing i didnt race him becuase i would have got pwned

Hmmm......SRT-4 owners talk sh*t, until you mention snow.............LMAO.

its funny how they always compare our cars, lets put a 2.4L engine in our wrx instead of a 2.o and see what happens:) Just look at mikes car...


Yeah but our cars come with 2.0 and theirs comes with a 2.4.

That's a pretty funny vid, and the SRT-4 attitudes about right, but really it's not fair to the Neon :D

Note: My '03 WRX wagon with a 2.4 currently makes 300 ft/lbs on Gruppe-S uncorrected Mustang AWD dyno.

Another note: The STi comes with a 2.5, that is closer as a % difference than a WRX.

SRT-4 Beyoches > Scoobie Beyoches!!

http://www.clearlinegraphics.com/srts-admin/pictures/Picture%20122.jpg

SRT-4 Beyoches > Scoobie Beyoches!!

http://www.clearlinegraphics.com/srts-admin/pictures/Picture%20122.jpg

LOSE THE CAR AND ILL TAKE THE GIRL!!!

Yeah but our cars come with 2.0 and theirs comes with a 2.4.

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Thats exactly what i just said :), i said if we put a 2.4l in our wrx we would be able to smoke them, and i said its funny how they compare a 2.0 to a 2.4l, even tho its not that much of a difference it still helps alot.

Oh, sorry :)

well.. they can.. they are in a SRT-4

I think the srt guys are the 5.0 guys of 5 years ago

Thats exactly what i just said :), i said if we put a 2.4l in our wrx we would be able to smoke them, and i said its funny how they compare a 2.0 to a 2.4l, even tho its not that much of a difference it still helps alot.
Don't forget the 300+lbs, whp correction factor for awd and the extra
30-40 hp

That's hilarious when that beater pulls on the neon at the end.

That beater was a Galant VR-4. They cam with that wicked mitsubishi turbo motor. They are no joke.

i had a freaking srt4 neon highbeaming me for 20mins on the freeway waiting for me to race him. At the time i didn't kno it was a uber fast neon becuase i couldn't see anything thanks to the high beams. I didn't bite becuase i didnt kno wat it was and 20mins later he pulls a ricer flyby and thinks he accomplished something.

phew good thing i didnt race him becuase i would have got pwned
actually it was probably cuz you were holding up traffic in the fast lane

dunno if this is a repost, I don't care, watch it again and make me happy




That was sweet thanks it was new to me :)

can we argue now how my F-XT can't possibly beat a WRX that one is always fun too :p

I took out a mclaren in my srt ;)

SRT-4 Beyoches > Scoobie Beyoches!!

http://www.clearlinegraphics.com/srts-admin/pictures/Picture%20122.jpg

Did anyone else spank it to this picture?

i feel ya on that one........


is anybody else in love with the sound of that mustang>???


i was talking on the phone with one of my gfs friends who has an SRT-4, he says his quarter mile is 13.6/ .7 and he was hanging with his friends STI with a Turboback Exhaust, and increased boost, among other ****.....

its apparent to me that nobody can beat a neon...lol

actually it was probably cuz you were holding up traffic in the fast lane

he could have passed me as the passing lane was empty and i can only go as fast as the car in front of me

he could have passed me as the passing lane was empty and i can only go as fast as the car in front of me


what lane were you in?

what lane were you in?

i was in the left lane the right lane was empty. i was following someone home, and i tend to drive conesertive when i don't kno where I am, but i wasnt going that slow. am i correct to call the right lane the passing lane?

am i correct to call the right lane the passing lane?


umm thats a negitive.

Left lane is passing, all others should move to the right if a car comes up from behind. Most accidents on the highway are caused by people passing in the right and people driving in the left lane on pulling to the right when not passing. It's just easier to blame speeding because you can right lots of tickets and create revenue.

Has anybody from this forum walked up to an SRT owner and said, "Hey, nice Neon dude. . ." I'm just wondering what their reaction would be cause I'm itching to try to it on this dude that drives a SRT and revs me every time he spots my car.

I wonder if they would say something along these lines, "It's not a neon dude . . . It's an SRT-4," and I respond, "Well. . . it's look like a neon with wings to me." Did I just insulted their manhood, or would I get into fist fight right after that comment?

i was in the left lane the right lane was empty. i was following someone home, and i tend to drive conesertive when i don't kno where I am, but i wasnt going that slow. am i correct to call the right lane the passing lane?


"keep right except to pass" "slower traffic keep right"

seeing how those signs are on almost every road, i am going to say he was flashing his lights at you to move out of the way because you were going slow.

if he wanted to race you then he would have pulled up next to you and reved.



one of my biggest pet peeves, people driving slow in the left lane and won't get over as you come up on them from behind. that and people not using their turn signals

Has anybody from this forum walked up to an SRT owner and said, "Hey, nice Neon dude. . ." I'm just wondering what their reaction would be cause I'm itching to try to it on this dude that drives a SRT and revs me every time he spots my car.

I wonder if they would say something along these lines, "It's not a neon dude . . . It's an SRT-4," and I respond, "Well. . . it's look like a neon with wings to me." Did I just insulted their manhood, or would I get into fist fight right after that comment?
Do it, if he revs on you he either is 16 or has the mentality of a 16 year old

one of my biggest pet peeves, people driving slow in the left lane and won't get over as you come up on them from behind. that and people not using their turn signals

lol good thing you weren't there on the way to JGTC

October was in the fast lane doing the same speed as our caravan which was all in the right lane with many people behind him trying to get past.

lol good thing you weren't there on the way to JGTC

October was in the fast lane doing the same speed as our caravan which was all in the right lane with many people behind him trying to get past.

honestly i didn't relize i was doing that. i thought i was going fast enough for the fast lane. but wasnt the caravan like doing 80 most of the time? at any rate i'll try to pay more attention in the future.

if a caravan was doing 80 in the right lane and people wanted to do 90 in the left lane then its time to move the **** over ;)

it sounds like the SRT owner forum is full of ignorance." STi's would only pull by half a car"- They've been sniffing wayy too many exhaust fumes

it sounds like the SRT owner forum is full of ignorance." STi's would only pull by half a car"- They've been sniffing wayy too many exhaust fumes


How so? STi is 3300lbs and puts about 220hp and 215lb-ft to the ground. SRT-4 is 2900lbs and usually dyno around 235hp and 250lb-ft, so what do you mean by " They've been sniffing wayy too many exhaust fumes" From a roll, stock to stock, an SRT-4 CAN pull on an STi. I've seen stock SRT-4s trapping 103-104ish, care to guess where the STi traps? About the same. If an STi driver isn't on the ball for the launch those little neons can surprise you. I'm cobb stg2, and played with one of my friends with a Stg 2 SRT-4 and it wasn't even remotely funny. From a dig I could pull a good car and a half on him, but then it was over, he'd easily walk me every single time. They're a good little car for what they are.

How so? STi is 3300lbs and puts about 220hp and 215lb-ft to the ground. SRT-4 is 2900lbs and usually dyno around 235hp and 250lb-ft

I'm not sure how the neon pulls the same hp and lb-ft at the wheels as it does at the crank????
the neon may pull like 195-200 whp and 210-215 lb-ft at the wheels. (just a guess).

oh the curb weight of the srt-4 is a little more closer to 3000lbs (2970 to be exact)
and STI (3298lbs). but any how...... on the dodge site, they saying a 5.8 sec 0-60?
sounds like a wrx range there.
BUT... there is one other factor u must look at, gear ratios are prob different from an wrx or sti, which may help it in running start situations.


hmm. maybe i'm wrong.. oh well. sorry.

it was funny to watch a srt neon exhaust note get drowned by my 79 chevy 454 exhaust note. he pulled hard to get away from me....LOL. i had to laugh.

me personnaly, i don't like them. they are still a neon, and will always be a neon. i don't care if one kills me in a race. besides. i would just wave and laugh. one day i will bet him in a race when i do some major upgrades to me 03 wrx wagon

Stock they put down about their rated crank HP. usually 220-235hp and 240-260lb-ft(they are all over the place) This page has a stock SRT4 dyno http://www.maximumcars.net/dynovids.html They are underated to say the least. The only reason an STi has a better 0-60 is from the AWD. Stock to stock to the end of the 1320 it's a close race. From a roll the SRT4 has a very good chance. I'm not trying to defend them, personally they aren't my cup of tea, but they are fast little buggers. I'm just a lowly cobb stg 2 wagon, and I can almost hang with my buddies stock sti from a roll, he slowly creeps away from from me. One of my other buddies has a srt4 with about the same money in mods as I have on the rex and it's not even remotely funny(although I spent money on suspension as well, and most of his money was for his ATP turbo kit, puts down over 350hp and 350lb-ft to the ground at 20psi on crap cali 91 octane). I can nab about a car and a half off of the line then it's all over, he walks past me like I grabbed the ebrake. If you want quick for cheap get an older LS1 camaro and slap some boost on it, that's enough to make your willy turn inside out. If you want a pretty damn fast car for not a lot of money and a fully factory warranty(that actually gets honored) pick up a stg 2 SRT4 from the dealer(which is about 265hp and 285lb-ft to the ground), or if you're not in cali get a Stg 3 straight from the factory which is a bigger snail, injectors, and ECU, that nets about the same as my friends atp turbo kit..

For what they are, they are hard to top. They are a relatively inexpensive little pocket rocket, although I did have to smile as I passed one that was doing about 10mph with chains on when I came back from reno today :D

A lot of the ppl on the srt forums ARE kids and DO talk a lot of crap that isn't true. Ultimately, in the 1/4, a stock SRT is somewhere between the stock WRX and stock STi. As for handling, they can argue all they want but AWD is greater than FWD. BUT... with an LSD the handling of the SRT does come close to the WRX but not STi. Unless the SRT is running slicks, first 60 feet will go to AWD cars anyday.

But to clear up some misconceptions, SRT's ARE underrated from the factory. 2004 hp bumps are actually Dodge's way of saying oops... we made a mistake. Crank horsepower should actually be closer to this. And the van that took out the SRT... is a Turbo Dodge :)

Watch this video rebuttal to that. It's just as amusing :)
http://www.dodgez.com/movies/cobras_rule.wmv

I just would like to say one thing. While I do respect the SRT-4, I must correct illusion when he said that the STI puts down 215 to the ground ( I was like WTF?!?!) The STI puts between 255-260 HP, 245-255 FT/lb to the ground. Just check out some of the stock dyno numbers around here, or in any mag. So now the SRT-4 and STI do NOT put out similar numbers.

Im not flameing the SRT-4, Just correcting a Flaud Statement. Accually I think the SRT-4 just has a bad rap because a lot more younger kids have it due to its smaller price tag.

I just would like to say one thing. While I do respect the SRT-4, I must correct illusion when he said that the STI puts down 215 to the ground ( I was like WTF?!?!) The STI puts between 255-260 HP, 245-255 FT/lb to the ground. Just check out some of the stock dyno numbers around here, or in any mag. So now the SRT-4 and STI do NOT put out similar numbers.

Im not flameing the SRT-4, Just correcting a Flaud Statement. Accually I think the SRT-4 just has a bad rap because a lot more younger kids have it due to its smaller price tag.


On vishnus dyno, stock is about 215hp and 210lb-ft. Not a flawed statement, just a mean dyno, dyno dynamics is pretty ornery. Green is stock.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/images/evo/282.jpg

That is intresting (I will always admit a wrong statement on my own behalf). This months Issue of Sport Compact Mag. has the dyno for the STI at 260HP/259Ft. And the EVO MR at 246HP/259FT. What we need is the SRT-4 on the same Dyno. Most People around here get about 245-260ish on there Stock STI's.

Dodge really underrated the car. I have yet to see an SRT dyno less than 215 hp at the wheels.

If you want a pretty damn fast car for not a lot of money and a fully factory warranty(that actually gets honored) pick up a stg 2 SRT4 from the dealer(which is about 265hp and 285lb-ft to the ground), or if you're not in cali get a Stg 3 straight from the factory which is a bigger snail, injectors, and ECU, that nets about the same as my friends atp turbo kit..

All Mopar stages 1 through 3 come with no warranty and could void factory warranty, and by the way none of the Mopar stages are street legal, I should know I was going to buy a SRT4 and spend another 10k to improve the handling and power but then I desided to buy my STi that comes with 300 hp, better suspension and of course all wheel drive :) and it's all with a warranty.

You could slap a Viper V-10 Venom 800 Hennessy special in that thing, and it's still a Neon. Also, purchasing these Neons will give you massive balls, since it will give the urge to hunt and race every import vehicle that has either a set of wheels, wings, or exhaust driving along the freeway. I've seen four SRT-4 Neons (different cars I tell you) this past week, and every occasion they've either provoke or annoyed import drivers to a race. You'll see them weaving through traffic in a hurry coming right up beside you or the target vehicle and provoke them by revving the engine, flashing their headlights, or anything to get their thrill. The jerk that was doing this to me didn't even let up when he notice my family was with me. So I told my wife to point as his car and laugh and I'd slow down to 5 miles below the speed limit and see how long he will play this childish behavior. And usually they'll rocket off, satisfied with their driving skills; but some of these jerks will cut you off too.

So beware of the Neon balls.

Dodge really underrated the car. I have yet to see an SRT dyno less than 215 hp at the wheels.

I agree, they are surprisingly powerful. However, they can't use that power well. I've driven a Stage 3 SRT-4 (the factory package) and it was a terror in a straight line, but try to turn a corner and touch the gas, and that inside right wheel would light up and smoke -- no traction at all. Every corner I took in that car, I had to gingerly brake all the way through and couldn't get on the gas until I was totally out of the turn and dead straight. Also, when launching from a stop, the torque steer was outrageous -- I had to fight the wheel like a bucking bronco. The owner had decent tires on the car, not the factory rubber, and he'd tuned up the suspension as well; FWD just isn't an ideal application of that much power.

As you can imagine, WRX drivers aren't knocked out by a car that can only go fast in a straight line! :)

I don't think it's just srt owners, I get honda guys trying to mess with me all the time, and my car looks totally stock. IMHO it's an extension of thier non existant penis. Immature people will challenge or talk smack to anyone they feel threatened by, even if your non threatening. Sometimes you have to be the bigger man, don't worry they'll make themselves look stupid.

I agree, they are surprisingly powerful. However, they can't use that power well. I've driven a Stage 3 SRT-4 (the factory package) and it was a terror in a straight line, but try to turn a corner and touch the gas, and that inside right wheel would light up and smoke -- no traction at all. Every corner I took in that car, I had to gingerly brake all the way through and couldn't get on the gas until I was totally out of the turn and dead straight. Also, when launching from a stop, the torque steer was outrageous -- I had to fight the wheel like a bucking bronco. The owner had decent tires on the car, not the factory rubber, and he'd tuned up the suspension as well; FWD just isn't an ideal application of that much power.

As you can imagine, WRX drivers aren't knocked out by a car that can only go fast in a straight line! :)

I think the one you drove was a 03 that doesn't come with a LSD (limited slip differential) the 04 models come with LSD and takes care of the torque steer and also transfers torque to the outside tire in turns, big difference.

I think the one you drove was a 03 that doesn't come with a LSD (limited slip differential) the 04 models come with LSD and takes care of the torque steer and also transfers torque to the outside tire in turns, big difference.


LSD doesn't solve all of those problems; you're still putting power to the ground with the same wheels that steer you, which means they will always want to go straight when you want to turn. Watch those 400hp Civics drag race sometime, they have to fight that wheel like a pro wrestler and have to be trailered to the track. You might be able to get an SRT-4 up to 530hp, but you won't be able to auto-x that power by any stretch of the imagination, nor will it be remotely streetable. However, I've driven an STI with 535hp and it could do both :)

I'm not falling back on the old "Neons suxxors" arguments or attitudes, I'm just saying that there are some fundamental design limitations to the SRT-4 that have to be recognized. It is still an amazing car for the money, even if it does somehow make drivers of it drop 50 IQ points and go trolling for "kills" every Friday night...

You guys should start worrying about the Cobalt SS now... They handle better than the SRT's :) And GM is coming out with staged S/C upgrades for it too.

You don't seem to be getting the point :) if it ain't AWD and can't rally, we don't worry about it. If $15k FWD pocket rockets had us worried, we wouldn't be Subaru drivers; the cars are simply in different classes, and can't even remotely be considered competition for each other.

You guys should start worrying about the Cobalt SS now... They handle better than the SRT's :) And GM is coming out with staged S/C upgrades for it too.
Those little ecotecs are badass

that is a great vid

the little cobalt ss, from what i gathered is suposed to have bout 205 hp. on what looks to me a redesign cavalier... we'll see how it turns out.

Sorry for bumping such an old thread, but I was curious as to whether someone had this video or knew where it was hosted still?

aww no more vid, please fix

yah gimme a minute ill find it again.

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=32BDB7CB-BCB9-4FEB-A6B8-F6E2220E7A3A&kw=SRT-4,SRT4&t=browse

the little cobalt ss, from what i gathered is suposed to have bout 205 hp. on what looks to me a redesign cavalier... we'll see how it turns out.

It is a Cavalier. No, it is not 205; that will be the SVT version next year.

Adding HP to a POS doesn't remove the POS part :)

SRT-4 - Fastest Car Ever

Second fastest :) (from yesterday)

http://www.peatpics.com/albums/pic-links/F_XT_4_20_05.jpg

Nice OWNAGE Peaty...

Love to see Forester XT Spank up a SRT-4 :)

Saw a Baja that would ownnnnn one too ;)

I wouldn't call it a spanking (not like that civic :) ) Considering I was driving a Forester maybe it was though ;) He was gaining fast and would have overtaken me if we went a little further. But the guy was pretty cool we talked quite a bit. He had quite a few things worked on his Neon, but like me he was new to the drag racing thing. It was a very nice SRT-4 but I did surprise a lot of people. That was the first time he broke 13 all day. I was normally running 13.7 ish but it was very hot out and that was my 5th run after sitting in line for quite a while. It was all in good fun. I have more details here:

http://www.subaruforester.com/viewtopic.php?t=10919

The SRT-4 should have been able to run faster than 13.9 stock :\ I'm sorry, I'm not trying to say SRT-4s are the fastest car ever, but if that guy had mods done, he just hasn't learned how to drive it yet. I love the new Foresters though. They are quick :)

True and if I could drive better I can get down the track quicker also. Like I said we both were new to the drag race thing. His mods included aftermarket IC, EBC, Ported intake man, BOV, CAI, exhaust et al. I'm sure it could have been quicker in other hands just like mine. The fact is it wasn't this time. But we were real life racing not paper could have would have if I got such and such done. I just went to the track do give it a try. I've had my fill :p

touche! nice win man. Oh, and I haven't learned to drive my srt-4 yet either lol. I ran a 14.75 (at 6000' altitude) according to a g-tech. The car should be capable of low 14's up here. Wasn't trying to start stuff, so don't everyone dogpile me now lol.

touche! nice win man. Oh, and I haven't learned to drive my srt-4 yet either lol. I ran a 14.75 (at 6000' altitude) according to a g-tech. The car should be capable of low 14's up here. Wasn't trying to start stuff, so don't everyone dogpile me now lol.
what year is your car and where are you from?

There's a guy here that has a SRT 4, and he claims it dynos at 280hp stock.

Of course, he also claimed that his orevious road racing 98 Passat had a 65mm swaybar.

w0w i didnt kno stock srt 4 had as much wheel horse power as a sti :p

I have had my "adopted" WRX for a few months now, although I have been driving it for about a year. I consider myself a good driver. I drive all terrains and drive my WRX in mostly mountain roads, thats where I live so I drive the curves alot. anyways...

With all this blab about the SRT-4, I decided to go drive one. Went to the Dodge dealer in the Sacramento area, and they had just rolled this SRT-4 ACR, or ARC model off. looked all right. lower than the base SRT-4 bigger wing, blah, blah, still a NEON in my eyes. I told the guys there that I wanted to trade my Suby for a dodge, had to try not to laugh out loud.
they pumped it up to be so much faster and better than my suby. I got in, and actually liked the interior better than the EVO 9 I test drove a while ago. Good seats, kinda funky shifting but I thought I'd give it a try.

I hit the straights, and the thing has quite a bit of power. Now to the true test. found some curves, and it sucked. period. the ACR is a stage one and it felt as if it were going to fly off the road every time I got on it. the power sucks in turns and feels that it lags alot.

got back to the dealership and told the guy he was nuts, then looked at the sticker and they wanted 28,699 for it. F-that I found a new STI (well somewhat it was an 04) for that and it felt so much safer and controllable than the SRT-4.

just my 2cents, but what do I know? just that I love my SUBY

It is a Cavalier. No, it is not 205; that will be the SVT version next year.

Adding HP to a POS doesn't remove the POS part :)

i didn't know SVT was tuning GM cars now too