Recent threads *cough* Voter Fraud *cough* and other threads in the past *cough* Nick Berg, 9/11 Pentagon Theory, Morning of 9/11--Bush in School House Theory etc. *cough* have actually been bothering me every time I login...

For some reason I get offended when threads turn in the direction that these ones have. Mainly because some of you guys (you know who you are) will present a ludicrous idea as fact without any solid evidence. It doesn't offend me in the slightest that you believe such conspiracy theories. What does offend me is the fact that you think I’m nuts and misinformed for not having believed the same thing.


It's also a bit discouraging when people complain about voter fraud because their candidate lost. It's as if you never really cared about my right to vote in the first place because nothing really counted anyway, right? The reason why I feel this way is because of what wouldn't have happened if the tables were turned. If Kerry had won there wouldn't be any question of voter fraud from any of you! Even if Kerry won by a substantially large margin after 3500 miscounted votes in Ohio. And no, I wouldn't have complained about it for one damn second!

I know I’ve stepped on my tail a few times here so you don't have to emphasize that. Sometimes I post something just to get people to bite and/or bait them for another point further down the thread. But give me a break guys...

It amazes me that these very same people always complain on how closed minded and detached all the High life drinking, shotgun shooting, bible thumping, Neo-Con Rednecks are when they're doing the same damn thing on the other end of the spectrum!

Stop it!

It amazes me that these very same people always complain on how closed minded and detached all the High life drinking, shotgun shooting, bible thumping, Neo-Con Rednecks are when they're doing the same damn thing on the other end of the spectrum!


As long as we can agree that both sides are just as guilty, I'm down.

Mainly because some of you guys (you know who you are) will present a ludicrous idea as fact without any solid evidence. It doesn't offend me in the slightest that you believe such conspiracy theories. What does offend me is the fact that you think I’m nuts and misinformed for not having believed the same thing.


Hmm...I've heard some ludicrous ideas presented to me by my government without any 'solid' evidence...and then they had to tell me that they were wrong...are you offended by them? Nope...because you like them...at least more than you like some of us hehehe...

Don't mean to offend you, Salty, but this thread smells like flame bait to me...

Hmm...I've heard some ludicrous ideas presented to me by my government without any 'solid' evidence...and then they had to tell me that they were wrong...are you offended by them? Nope...because you like them...at least more than you like some of us hehehe...

I don't like them along with half of their actions and have said this numerous times. Did I think Bush was the stronger candidate and leader? Yes, slightly. So what?

At least the reasoning behind my views weren’t influenced by the Hail bop comet -or- the light reflected off Jupiter’s atmospheric gases.

At least the reasoning behind my views weren’t influenced by the Hail bop comet -or- the light reflected off Jupiter’s atmospheric gases.

And that's not supposed to be offensive?

You know what offends me? People who think it's ok to spend billions and kill thousands based on fabricated evidence. It has nothing to do with enjoying shotguns, having faith or your choice of beer.

I guess I like to feed trolls.

People who think it's ok to spend billions and kill thousands based on fabricated evidence. It has nothing to do with enjoying shotguns, having faith or your choice of beer.

Agreed, this offends me too!

OK Salty you want to know my take on 9/11, here it is in a nutshell.

Dick Cheney directed the whole thing from Washington, under the guise of several "terrorist training drills" so that the expected intercept responses from Norad and the ANG were halted because commanders thought that these hijackings were part of these drills.

I think that the planes were flown by remote control, although I fully expect that there were some radical Islamists led to believe that they were on a "mission from Allah" to hijack the planes, and lend some token creidbility to the official story, but they couldn't have known the real plan, and couldn't have had the skills or reliability needed to fly the "final mission" with certainty.

The "missile hit the Pentagon" hypothesis is being promulgated by those in the know- as disinformation to discredit anyone who even questions the "official story"

But the destruction of the world trade centers was done for two reasons;

1) to obliterate records of international criminal activities carried out by certain "friends" of the administration, and

2) to serve as the PNAC's "new Pearl Harbor" an attack of such enormity and complete outrageous proportion that the nation would be spurred to otherwise untenable levels of hatred, so that those really in power could accelerate their plan to take over the world.

Go ahead, try to prove to me that any of these points are wrong, I don't think you can- because there is more evidence out there supporting my story than there is supporting the "official" story.

And this is equally offensive. So where does that leave me?

I think we as a nation are headed down the wrong path where we are trying to "spread" freedom to a world that doesn't really want a piece of our freedom. How many more countries are we going to attack un-provoked? I think that we are going to end up making a lot more enemies than friends and this will bite us in the ass at some point. Who knows when.

I also think that at the rate this country uses natural resources we are going to see a melting of the polar ice caps within one hundred years and this is going to be disasterous for the human race. Something has to change, whether it be from Bush or whoever follows him.

And that's not supposed to be offensive?


How can this possibly be offensive to you when a) You've never seemed to have a problem with un-solidified theories unlike others in this forum and; b) Can you possibly justify any of the theories mentioned in the first paragraph of the very first post in this thread?


You know what offends me? People who think it's ok to spend billions and kill thousands based on fabricated evidence. It has nothing to do with enjoying shotguns, having faith or your choice of beer.

I guess I like to feed trolls.

You have every right to feel this way and I feel the same at times. The difference with what you mentioned is these current events are how you portray what's actually happening. Although there's two sides of the story regarding OIF -and- you may not agree with them, at least everything is in black & white.

Im offended by this thread. Its offense is offensive

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Im offended by this thread. Its offense is offensive

:D
That you are offended by this offensive post makes me feeeel very offended.
Now where's the ACLUs phone number...

Though many of us including myself arnt happy about it....


The fact is that Bush won, fair and square. Period.

Contesting any results at this time (especally on a internet message board) is not going to do anything but piss people off. For this, I am 100% with Salty on this one.
CHeers
-Jeff

Salty I don't get offended, I get amused. The AFDB element of the internet is a hoot. And once in every zillion conspiracy theories they even get one right. Ever listen to that guy on KFJC? Dave Emery? It's great stuff. Makes Art Bell look like milquetoast.

Even if Kerry won by a substantially large margin after 3500 miscounted votes in Ohio. And no, I wouldn't have complained about it for one damn second!

I'm willing to bet you would have... If FOX News was reporting of possible fraud on the opposite side, and the news reporters were saying they thought the losing candidate might have conceded too early, I'm sure you would make this well known on this board. One thing, though, I would NOT have complained as you are about being 'sore losers,' and the like.

BTW- I say this because I saw this very thing on the news last night... on what some may call a 'liberal' network (MSNBC)... but still... if it's being suggested in the newspapers and on television, you shouldn't be so 'offended' by the idea being posted here. Unless you are trying to filter the threads and supresss one point of view.... I KNOW that's not your goal.


I know I’ve stepped on my tail a few times here so you don't have to emphasize that. Sometimes I post something just to get people to bite and/or bait them for another point further down the thread. But give me a break guys...

No break here... not once you start listening to others points and stop trying to shoot them down with off-topic remarks and pointless threads like these.

Also, I agree that several of your own posts don't show much logic, and are designed just to incite people, but I don't seem to see that 'point further down the thread' materialize very often...




It amazes me that these very same people always complain on how closed minded and detached all the High life drinking, shotgun shooting, bible thumping, Neo-Con Rednecks are when they're doing the same damn thing on the other end of the spectrum!



Finally! something thoughtful!

...but this still doesn't validate the rest of your post, if that was your goal.

Please realize that there are moderates on both sides, and everyone has their own 'center.' What one may see as Neo-conservative, another may see as mainstream america. What one may see as radically liberal, another may see as the path our country needs to take.

Just try to respect others here, as well as thier views- despite how much you may disagree with them.

I got this in an e-mail today and really couldn't have said it better, ponder these words;

traveling south from the cold, frozen North under heavy gray skies today. I've been thinking about the Great Divide in my beautiful country. Wealth beyond imagining and poverty and degradation equal to many third-world countries. Vast unspoiled expanses of near-virgin landscape, contaminated ground water and poisoned air. Flattened mountains, filled wetlands. And then there is the Divide between words and their meaning. There are some excellent words being bandied about lately that I would like to reclaim.



I am a conservative: I will do everything within my power to try and make my government act fiscally responsible, and to not saddle the unborn generations of tomorrow with the excesses of today. I will not be party to the squandering of our natural resources and poisoning of the water and air of our beautiful nation and our one and only Earth.



I will be guided by morals: I will oppose the wholesale destruction of life, the sundering of families, the bankrupting of the spirit and ecological disaster that war brings in all its forms. And I will embrace the Christian ethics of finding understanding, love and forgiveness in my heart for people different from myself. I will rejoice and celebrate and protect all of God's creations in the boundless and unfathomable Universe.



I am a patriot: I will fight to uphold the laws of our great nation and will do everything within my power to help assure that each citizen gets one, and only one, vote. And that every sacred vote is counted and verified. The poorest of our countrymen, struggling to realize the American Dream at a minimum wage dead-end job, should be equal in the voting booth to the wealthiest and most powerful captain of industry. I will not allow my country to be purchased by the "Haves and the Have Mores".


When did these words take on other meanings?

sorry to have upset you Salty, but sometimes "offensive" things need to be acknowledged.

And Silverscoober, I really hope my 911 conspiracy theory is totally wrong, but you gotta admit that certain elements of the official story, the lack of a serious invesigation (-at least the potential conflicts of interest held by those on the official commission- once it finally happened) and ensuing blame game are simply not plausible.

(where's that pathetic fiddle-playing emoticon Salty used to throw my way?)

Psoper-- That is an amazing passage. I am in that guy's camp 110%. Thanks dude... this is gonna be passed on to a few more people to read

And Silverscoober, I really hope my 911 conspiracy theory is totally wrong, but you gotta admit that certain elements of the official story, the lack of a serious invesigation (-at least the potential conflicts of interest held by those on the official commission- once it finally happened) and ensuing blame game are simply not plausible.

While I don't believe that is how it went down I see your point on the investigation. Why Bush was so against a formal investigation from the start is beyond me and it is outrageous. That should have been the 2nd thing he did after going after OBL, but instead he held the comission back in every way possible until the people literally demanded the investigation. Very sad really.

Psoper-- That is an amazing passage. I am in that guy's camp 110%. Thanks dude... this is gonna be passed on to a few more people to read

Actually it was a gal, folk/bluegrass musician Laurie Lewis, but it really hit home- for me anyway.



- even though I don't consider myself a "Christian" I think I still have respect for true basic christian values,

as opposed to the self-rightous homophobic zealotry that passes for christianity in America these days though.

oops... my bad

:twiddling my thumbs feeling pretty dumb:

Yeah thats something that bugged me a whole lot why didn't Jr. want the investigation to happen? It just didn't add up to me.

Yeah thats something that bugged me a whole lot why didn't Jr. want the investigation to happen? It just didn't add up to me.

Not to mention the only way he would meet with the commission is if it was behind closed doors and so the topics discussed would never be released to the public.

(where's that pathetic fiddle-playing emoticon Salty used to throw my way?)

I wouldn't expect much of a response when you put forward a good point- (except for a weeping fiddler ani-gif, or the like) Like I have said, he seems to have a problem acknoledging the validity of other's views and opinions.

I agree wholeheartedly with that passage- it makes some VERY good points by bringing to light the ironies and hypocricies of a large sector of the modern Rep. party.

To bridge the gap, the left must appeal to the values that the right has claimed as their own.

I wouldn't expect much of a response when you put forward a good point- (except for a weeping fiddler ani-gif, or the like) Like I have said, he seems to have a problem acknoledging the validity of other's views and opinions.

Sorry, some of us actually work during the day..

What exactly was the point of the gibberish psoper posted? The fact one of his emails is getting spamed?

That whole cut and paste had absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of this thread. Go back and read the very first post in this thread and tell me what it has to do with past posts from psoper and a few others.

Nice dodge! Once again, you fail to see the point.

Nice dodge! Once again, you fail to see the point.

How is posting an anti-bush email acknowledging the validity of others' views?

Nice dodge! Once again, you fail to see the point.

There was nothing to dodge in the first place! Why don't you explain the point to then, scoobsport98?

How is posting an anti-bush email acknowledging the validity of others' views?

This is what i'm trying to figure out...

How does psoper's post even begin to explain the type of BS posts I mention in the first post of this thread, scoobsport98?

It would have been more beneficial to me if psoper posted the following because I could have learned something:

All three races of the Spotted Owl are found in the United States, one of which has a range that stretches into Canada and one into Mexico blah, blah, blah...

It's not worth my time to get into it right now... and anyways, it seems to me that you'll never learn.

It's not worth my time to get into it right now... and anyways, it seems to me that you'll never learn.

To use your own words:

Nice dodge!...

You all offend me, especially Salty.














































When's it my turn to offend all of you? :D

To use your own words:


I knew this was coming... I'm just tired of trying to get him to understand. It is been made apparent to me recently that it is not worth my time trying. I feel I have made several good points toward him, all in an effort to keep the moderator in check (or moderated, you might say). He has simply denied or refused to acknoledge every single counterpoint I make toward his. I guess since he's a mod, he is the supreme authority, right? Who am I to question him? Such blasphemy I speak!

To explain to the rest of you....
He dodged the point of the passage by looking for a reason why not to have to take heed to what it says. By golly, he found one (I'll admit, he's good at that)- So just because it was a little off topic of the thread, the points made carry no value?
If he were to have sarted a new thread, would you have replied more graciously and actually have adressed the points that were made?

I knew this was coming... I'm just tired of trying to get him to understand. It is been made apparent to me recently that it is not worth my time trying. I feel I have made several good points toward him, all in an effort to keep the moderator in check (or moderated, you might say). He has simply denied or refused to acknoledge every single counterpoint I make toward his. I guess since he's a mod, he is the supreme authority, right? Who am I to question him? Such blasphemy I speak!

What in the hell are you going on about?!

By golly, he found one (I'll admit, he's good at that)- So just because it was a little off topic of the thread, the points made carry no value?
If he were to have sarted a new thread, would you have replied more graciously and actually have adressed the points that were made?

To answer the first question, yes! If we can't at least try and stay on topic in these threads then why even bother in the first place? I know some threads steer off course with silly tangents over time but not when the thread is directed toward a handful of posters. And certainly not when these poster's first posts have little to nothing to do with the initial question. That's as asinine as writing a column on the World Series in the classified section -or- writing a thesis on something completely out of your field of study.

For those of you recently joining us, I was referring to psoper's (and a few others) bull-**** conspiracy posts and how they'd rather have no evidence on a irrational story rather than little evidence on the official story.

As for the second question, yes! (refer to answer #1 on why)

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Originally Posted by psoper
OK Salty you want to know my take on 9/11, here it is in a nutshell.

Dick Cheney directed the whole thing from Washington, under the guise of several "terrorist training drills" so that the expected intercept responses from Norad and the ANG were halted because commanders thought that these hijackings were part of these drills.

I think that the planes were flown by remote control, although I fully expect that there were some radical Islamists led to believe that they were on a "mission from Allah" to hijack the planes, and lend some token creidbility to the official story, but they couldn't have known the real plan, and couldn't have had the skills or reliability needed to fly the "final mission" with certainty.

The "missile hit the Pentagon" hypothesis is being promulgated by those in the know- as disinformation to discredit anyone who even questions the "official story"

But the destruction of the world trade centers was done for two reasons;

1) to obliterate records of international criminal activities carried out by certain "friends" of the administration, and

2) to serve as the PNAC's "new Pearl Harbor" an attack of such enormity and complete outrageous proportion that the nation would be spurred to otherwise untenable levels of hatred, so that those really in power could accelerate their plan to take over the world.

Go ahead, try to prove to me that any of these points are wrong, I don't think you can- because there is more evidence out there supporting my story than there is supporting the "official" story.


Dude, you should write for the x files