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Thats pretty funny!

Haha bumped

Haha, just goes to show high IQ doesnt help you make the right decisions!

I have this posted in the politics forum too from last elections results, almost identical.

here comes the flames, but as Bill Maher said "Hey we're the losers, we get to make jokes!"
:p

Haha, just goes to show high IQ doesnt help you make the right decisions!


yes but being stoopid sure helps you make the wrong ones!:D

I still like the magazine cover where it said, "How can 59,459,765 be so dumb?" with a huge photo of George W Bush on it. Ah well. It's kinda Kerry's fault that he lost though. I would have preferred it if he won, but he pretty much screwed up his chances in the southern areas by not sticking to his guns on certain subjects and making himself sound more believeable. Cuz there's a lotta monkeys out there who needs to be told certain issues more clearly I guess. Haha.

a set of nice numbers...so what happen to those who don't vote??

alan'04

Those who don't vote get to SHUT THE **** UP AND TAKE IT UP THE BUTT FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS! Tools!!

since you can't see the image anymore... I thought I'd throw something serious in...

bush won because...

...because the "Evangelicals" forgot that poverty and hunger is a moral issue, too. And then because John Paul II told Catholics that 15,000,000 babies were aborted, but "only" 100,000 iraqis and 1,000 us troops died.

What "Evangelicals" and JP forgot to mention is that well over 1,200,000,000 people in this world are impoverished. That's 1.2 billion. Just about 1 out of 5 people in this world are below the international poverty line. Of those 1,200,000,000 imporverished people, 798,000,000 undernourished, having problems obtaining adequate nutritious food for themselves and their families. That's 1 out of about every 8 people in the world can't get enough good food to eat. This causes just about 1 in 3 of these people to die prematurely or have disabilities according to the WHO. 11,000,000 children younger than 5 die every year, more than half of those deaths are hunger related. I wonder if there's a static showing babies that are miscarried due to poverty and hunger, a lack of access to proper medical car and food.

If you wanna base your vote on some sort of rediculous "moral numbers" game... think about that. Of course, if Evangelicals want to ignore the issues of the oppression, povery, and hunger they'll need to ignore most of their Scriptures. Appearantly, according to the Christian Scriptures, those are the people with which God stands with.

Oh yeah, and homosexuality has never been shown to be a direct cause of death for anyone.

jason

^^

true indeed, and they call themselves "moral" children of God...my a$$ they are

wow.

What would happen if people who couldnt afford to feed children stopped having them? What a thought!

What would happen if people who couldnt afford to feed children stopped having them? What a thought!

What would happen if people who could afford to didn't actually use the resources for 5 times what they really need? What a thought!

By the way, you didn't happen to notice that your comment creates a way to stamp our poverty by slowly deleting the poor human cultures from the earth. The poor of the world should not enjoy life and children because 1/5 of the world insists treatings this worlds resources selfishly ?

so what happen to those who don't vote??

they shut the f up and deal with what happened since they didn't choose to try changing anything when all it would have taken was a few minutes of their time....

The powerful do what they will because they can, the weak do what they can to survive. If they cant survive, whos problem is that? Not mine and please dont take my money to fix someone elses problem, thanks!

The powerful do what they will because they can, the weak do what they can to survive. If they cant survive, whos problem is that? Not mine and please dont take my money to fix someone elses problem, thanks!

And if you ever were to enter the same sitaution because of some major disaster, being it via nature or terrorism or whatever and your insurance company was bankrupt... you had no home, no food, no nothing, how likely would you be to refuse a hand out? The people you so easily dismiss started with nothing because their land offers no resources to compete with. You are lucky to be born where you were, not powerful.

NZO - rich kid since day one

And if you ever were to enter the same sitaution because of some major disaster, being it via nature or terrorism or whatever and your insurance company was bankrupt... you had no home, no food, no nothing, how likely would you be to refuse a hand out?
I wouldnt refuse a handout, but I dont see how thats relevant.

The people you so easily dismiss started with nothing because their land offers no resources to compete with. You are lucky to be born where you were, not powerful.
Move. Its called adapt or die.

This is the problem with liberals, you care too much about things which are a waste of time and money. Wow, so you send some food and money to poor and starving people, which enables them to do what? Thats right, reproduce and create more poor and starving people. You arent solving any problems you are perpetuating them.

This really belongs in the Political Forum. There people that care about this will respond, hopefully intelligently and succinctly.

This thread started this way, but as usual in any political debate is starting to degrade to name calling.

I'd like somebody to state clearly, why he/she believes Kerry would have made a better president. GW may not be all that, but Kerry is probably worst.

Also why do so many people belive the President of the USA has enough power to solve the world's problems, when some country's government can't or won't?

I wouldnt refuse a handout, but I dont see how thats relevant.


Move. Its called adapt or die.

This is the problem with liberals, you care too much about things which are a waste of time and money. Wow, so you send some food and money to poor and starving people, which enables them to do what? Thats right, reproduce and create more poor and starving people. You arent solving any problems you are perpetuating them.

A handout is a handout. That's why its relevant. For some unknown reason, you feel justified to receive them and the less fortunate are for some reason automatically unjustified.

If folks like you stop reproducing so that you stop generating more selfish people who use 5 times of their actual need of the worlds natural resources, you'd free up a lot for those who have only maybe 1/5 of their actual need.

You realize you've espoused a policy of slowly killing off everyone who wasn't lucky enough to be raised in a land with the same selfish policies that you were? If might makes right, why do you bother living in a democracy? This is hardly, "liberalism". I am hardly a "liberal".

jason

A handout is a handout. That's why its relevant. For some unknown reason, you feel justified to receive them and the less fortunate are for some reason automatically unjustified.
I dont quite get what youre saying. I will take handouts all day long if someone is stupid/caring enough to give them, but that is at their own expense. Im not one to refuse taking advantage of someone elses bad deciscions.


You realize you've espoused a policy of slowly killing off everyone who wasn't lucky enough to be raised in a land with the same selfish policies that you were?
Yes...and? If your side is losing, either make them win or change sides. This world isnt about sunshine and lolipops, its about surviving. The United States has the luxury of indulging itself because we have done such a good job at surviving.

If might makes right, why do you bother living in a democracy?

Because might is realized through democracy...its the best way to maintain and use power.

I wouldnt refuse a handout, but I dont see how thats relevant.


Move. Its called adapt or die.

This is the problem with liberals, you care too much about things which are a waste of time and money. Wow, so you send some food and money to poor and starving people, which enables them to do what? Thats right, reproduce and create more poor and starving people. You arent solving any problems you are perpetuating them.


Altruism is why humans are alive right now. Survival of the fittest = survival of the best team. Not the best individual. You, NZO, would probably survive the longest on a deserted island out of ~12 people. But after you killed them for taking your food, you would realize that the only way to get more food is to work as a team. This is an analogy that applies to the world now as well. You and your money don't mean s*** in the grand scheme of things. And the more allies the US can get because we act like good people, the more people we'll have on our side when we need them. Being good to other humans is good. Bottom line. If you argue with that, I hope you find yourself in a situation where you need other people's help.

Because might is realized through democracy...its the best way to maintain and use power.

Now that contradicts everything you said.

If democracy is the best way to maintain and use power, then why don't we include the votes of the impoverished and hungry in how we make our decisions?

Suddenly I'm suspecting purposeful dumbassness.

Shouldn't this be in the politics forum? It seems to broadening to such matters...

Altruism is why humans are alive right now. Survival of the fittest = survival of the best team. Not the best individual.
Right so the finches in the galapagos all got together and helped each other out when birds with extreme beak sizes couldnt find food? I didnt learn about that part.

You, NZO, would probably survive the longest on a deserted island out of ~12 people. But after you killed them for taking your food, you would realize that the only way to get more food is to work as a team.
I may be stupid but I'm not THAT stupid ;) Just because I'm not altruistic doesnt mean I'm murderous. What I strive to be is practical.

This is an analogy that applies to the world now as well. You and your money don't mean s*** in the grand scheme of things. And the more allies the US can get because we act like good people, the more people we'll have on our side when we need them.
True, but my point is why help those who can not help us or themselves?

Being good to other humans is good. Bottom line. If you argue with that, I hope you find yourself in a situation where you need other people's help.
I agree that it is 'good', but I would not say it is right. I have no problem being in a situation where I need help because I take responsibility for my actions.

Now that contradicts everything you said.

If democracy is the best way to maintain and use power, then why don't we include the votes of the impoverished and hungry in how we make our decisions?

Suddenly I'm suspecting purposeful dumbassness.

Sorry I think we are both talking about different things. I am refering to people in other nations who need help, I assume youre talking about the poor in this country? If so then yes what I said does not necessarily apply.

Sorry I think we are both talking about different things. I am refering to people in other nations who need help, I assume youre talking about the poor in this country? If so then yes what I said does not necessarily apply.

world wide.

if democracy is the way might is realized (honestly that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard) then why not use democracy all over the world in how we do all decisions? I mean, didn't the UN vote on some stuff against what we wanted and we did it anyway? I think most of the poor in the world, let alone most people in the world, would vote against the way America does business. If democracy is the way to power, why don't we use it?

I think if you were actually thinking about what you said, you meant "determined greed and sociopathic tendencies is the way to achieve power". Not caring about anyone else other than yourself will make you the most powerful because people who care about you will let their guard down. It makes you real fun at parties and the ladies just eat it up.

world wide.

if democracy is the way might is realized (honestly that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard) then why not use democracy all over the world in how we do all decisions? I mean, didn't the UN vote on some stuff against what we wanted and we did it anyway? I think most of the poor in the world, let alone most people in the world, would vote against the way America does business. If democracy is the way to power, why don't we use it?

The UN is a different story, its a little naive at this point to think that the world can be governed by one democratic body, especially when there are so many different interests involved. My point is that for individual contries democracy is the best form of government if the object is to have a successful and powerful country. I think history has shown us this more than enough times.

Right so the finches in the galapagos all got together and helped each other out when birds with extreme beak sizes couldnt find food? I didnt learn about that part.


We're talking about humans. We didn't survive on an island, we took over the planet. We were able to do so because we are altruistic. Some animals are also altruistic. Ants, lions, and dolphins to give a few examples. It'd be as if the birds on the Galapagos had no predators because they fought in groups and the ones with long narrow beaks harvested bugs in deep holes while the ones with short strong beaks cracked open nuts. Then they piled all the nuts and bugs up and ate a giant feast with every bird on the island included. If that happened, they would have dominated the island and out competed every other animal that was after their food. Humans did this.

The UN is a different story, its a little naive at this point to think that the world can be governed by one democratic body, especially when there are so many different interests involved. My point is that for individual contries democracy is the best form of government if the object is to have a successful and powerful country. I think history has shown us this more than enough times.

There are less varied interests within the US itself than across the world? Where do live, Montana? I didn't say the world should be moderated by one democratic authority. I said the US should be consistent in its democratic ideology

You don't mean democracy, you mean capitalism. Notice the changes in un-democratic china as their lust for capital increases. Its government become one, nasty, autocratic body that rules a up and coming capitalistic powerhouse.

Democracy is the slowest, most wasteful, most inefficient form of government around. Its even worse when its federated. If you want to be powerful you become a greedy, sociopathic force. Far more efficient. I know you don't want to admit that your earlier reasoning espouses that.

If you want to be powerful you become a greedy, sociopathic force. Far more efficient. I know you don't want to admit that your earlier reasoning espouses that.

It may be efficient for an individual or a small group of individuals but the rest of the populace will only tolerate it for so long before the government is overthrown. Our representative democracy is a balance between appeasing the masses and giving power to those in control.

Go Satan!!

It may be efficient for an individual or a small group of individuals but the rest of the populace will only tolerate it for so long before the government is overthrown. Our representative democracy is a balance between appeasing the masses and giving power to those in control.

4000 years of autocracy in China. A billion people can't be wrong. (They did try the democracy experiment, but they realized it doesn't work for them). Why does autocracy work for them? Because they fundamentally believe in caring for one another. This is why most chinese inundated countries (so you can't blame China's good fortune on chinese communism, heh) do not have a problem with homelessness or relative poverty. And you do not see many chinese homeless people even in the Bay Area. Why do other Americans have such a problem with homelessness and relative poverty? Because most other Americans, on one level or another think, like you do. Its a false idea that you can worship yourself (my vote, my rights, my needs) and still care about others under the guise of "majority rule". Someone always gets screwed. In China they're not all right with the latest gadgets (another false American sense of being comfortable), but they all eat and are clothed and have a roof.

You are also still facing the same ideological problem about democracy. Your ideas about democracy, if not extended to our foreign policy will result in the same thing. The world will overthrow us. Piss off the EU, China and the SEA/Australian bloc just enough. Bush is fully capable of that. Americans are incapable of foreseeing a future where people are angrier than they are lustful for money. To one degree or another, most other countries can envision such a response. And they'll respond accordingly.

If it comes to that and you're still one of those people who will gladly accept a handout to climb on someone's neck, but it isn't offered to you, give me a call and let me know how you happily accept your fate. When people argue that they'll perfectly accept being screwed, not just accepting it but feeling its the right thing because someone more powerful deserves to screw them its the dumbest argument evAr. Really, you'd have to be a complete idiot to stand there and say "I deserve to get screwed because I wasn't lucky enough not to get screwed".

Dudes Anarchy solves everything. We as humans are instinctively defensive anyways.

Either way you guys act, you should think about the moral purpose. If anyone has taken any decent philosophy class about ethics, you'd learn that almost everything we have is classified as a "need" to us, but in reality it's just a luxury that became a necesity.

What you guys do need to focus on is life. Why NZO do you purpose the survival of the fittest? The bigger purpose of life itself is to take care of life. Of course rolling with this issue, driving cars that cause pollution isn't helping. Neither are toilet scrubbers that are tossed aside and pile up because stupid idiots don't realize it takes centuries for that kind of waste to decompose. In essence you, NZO, are purposing to kill the world. Just as the atom bomb was developed and god knows what other world ending weapons have been created.

Humans should be taking care of the earth, not destroying and using all of it's resources to our LUXURY instead of sharing with others to keep our human race alive. Of course we're good for now, and maybe the next couple of generations.. but who gives a rats ass about you grandkids and whoever else comes after you right? Your one way thinking is just as bad as the teachers in high schools.

Consider life, if a damn Tea issue created a whole country revolution THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY A CITIZEN IN, then MAYBE just maybe you might want to consider who you're putting into power.

If you can really allow prevention of Gay Marriage Rights to be amended into the constitution, then denying the free is your favor. You should really think about the overall.

I'm not saying I'm right, and you're wrong. Consider that ALL and I mean ALL of us are accepting the fact that we have to invade every other country to find some terrorists. We don't directly support the killing of thousands of lives, we aren't the ones with the guns, or the ammo and missiles that fly into other people's homes to take their lives.

But we do pay the taxes that fund our government and allow them to purchase and create more weapons and bullets that do kill other people. So either way we are all apart of the cause.

Speaking as a philosopher the 100% fix of this is to use only what we actually need, and nothing more, but everyone is too far into their cell phones that have special features and big screen TV's that can view 5+ shows at once that they don't realize that this is in fact reality, and maybe a millenia or two from now earth will destroy itself.

blah blah blah cliff notes for those who dont feel like reading all that.
capitalism promotes a social and economic hierarchy, where the rich do in fact get richer, and the poor get left behind in [insert slight sarcasm] goverment made ghettos.
live the american dream, graduate from harvard, get a degree in microbiology, and then get beat out by a Chinese man with a degree from a 'lesser' school of learning who is willing to work for less.

im just skimming..
imho, surivival of the fittest is a bull**** theory which helps those at the top legtimize their power.
kind of like the whole 'mandate of heaven' thing in 'ancient' china, or the whole idea of a king ruling by divine right.

and no, i have no point
heh.

And now let's talk about the WARRIORS.

look...if some watery bint threw a scimitar at me, and I walked around calling myself an emperor, they'd throw me in looney bin.

look...if some watery bint threw a scimitar at me, and I walked around calling myself an emperor, they'd throw me in looney bin.

thats moistened bint to you kido!;)

All is see is some words in german? :confused:

look...if some watery bint threw a scimitar at me, and I walked around calling myself an emperor, they'd throw me in looney bin.

these youngin's... cant even get their Python right!

Quote Fizay"Dudes Anarchy solves everything. We as humans are instinctively defensive anyways."

Unless you are Peyton Manning hahahahahahaahhaahaha.

that mofo can throw a ball.