http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041101/pl_afp/us_vote_economy&cid=1521&ncid=2043

The story basically states that whoever wins the election will have to scale back spending or tax the living **** out of you to keep from creating a further deficit to fulfill their existing plans.

We all know where the candidates stand on taxes.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO!!!!! =)

Yeah kick Jr. out, and stop him from spending even more money and being a moron on how to manage this country. No suprise that he screwed up the economy, concidering how many company's he ****ed up.

How can you mention in the same breath tax advantages when our nation is mired in debt due to a war that we had no business getting into in the first place.

Here ya go:

www.costofwar.com

Keep that handy, and thank your ol buddy GW for getting us knee deep in a pile of dog crap

Ok, so what the heck does that have to do with me working 1/2 the year just to pay for unwed mothers' babies? It's mother's day every time I get a pay check. =( But seriously, now is NOT the time to raise taxes to fund additional social programs.

I'm assuming you are all old enough to remember people saying how awful the debt under Reagan was, and a few short years later it was all paid off.

A great man once said, "Taxes are like bridge tolls. Once the bridge is paid for they use the toll for something else."
Have you ever noticed how tolls keep going up?

Now I remember why I stopped wasting my time here...

Now I remember why I stopped wasting my time here...

WHOOOOO... thank goodness!

Now I remember why I stopped wasting my time here...

No kidding, i still find myself getting bored and coming back to this ****ing waste of time, and i'm embarrassed with myself. We have to argue with people like helladumb - who are so ****ing stupid and obnoxious that they manage to get themselves BANNED from political discussion on A ****ING CAR FORUM! Thats a red flag right there. I'm with you dub2w.

No kidding, i still find myself getting bored and coming back to this ****ing waste of time, and i'm embarrassed with myself. We have to argue with people like helladumb - who are so ****ing stupid and obnoxious that they manage to get themselves BANNED from political discussion on A ****ING CAR FORUM! Thats a red flag right there. I'm with you dub2w.

F U. Hey, would you confirm the notion that ignorance is bliss?
When you grow up and see half of your paycheck being wasted on $5k toilet seats and costly, inefficient social programs, you'll regret not opening your eyes earlier.

people like helladumb - who are so ****ing stupid and obnoxious .

If all you are going to contribute is personal attacks like that, then see ya.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041101/pl_afp/us_vote_economy&cid=1521&ncid=2043

The story basically states that whoever wins the election will have to scale back spending or tax the living **** out of you to keep from creating a further deficit to fulfill their existing plans.

We all know where the candidates stand on taxes.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO!!!!! =)

You really think Bush is going to scale back spending? Listen to his campaign promises, listen to the debates. SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND.

How can you mention in the same breath tax advantages when our nation is mired in debt due to a war that we had no business getting into in the first place.

I think the Iraq war was a poor use of money that we don't have, but to say we are "mired in debt" due to the Iraq war is incorrect. The Iraq war is just a drop in the bucket.

Debt Clock (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/)

This is about state government but it still applies I think.

"MONDAY MORNING MEMORANDUM

By Assemblyman Ray Haynes

November 1, 2004


Follow the Money


Politics have always been about distributing the “booty” of the private sector. Politicians, in their pirate mode, take from taxpayers, claiming they’re taking from the rich, and then distribute that take with their political supporters. This is as it always has been.



Even James Madison wrote, in 1787, in the Federalist No. 10, that much of political activity is an attempt by “factions” (we call them special interests today) to take control of the levers of government, and use the power they get with that control to benefit themselves (mostly to get more money for themselves). What he never expected that government would be taken over by those who work for the government to benefit themselves. We are no longer of government “of the people, by the people, for the people,” as Abraham Lincoln described. We are a government of the government, by the government, for the government, paid for by the people.



If the recent Secretary of State scandals have taught us anything, it is how the money that government takes in can be diverted to the benefit of the politicians. It appears that Secretary Shelley, when he was in the Legislature, put some pork in the state budget for his supporters, and that pork was then diverted to his campaigns in the form of campaign contributions. He won his job with your tax dollars. Unfortunately, that happens a lot more than we would like to admit, and in a lot more legal fashion.



The most blatant form of using your tax dollars to elect pro-government politicians is the government employee union. These unions are ostensibly private organizations. However, their members work for the government, all of their money comes, indirectly at least, from your tax dollars, and the only way they get more money is by making government bigger and increasing their salaries.



This is how a government union works in California. State law requires every government agency to recognize, and negotiate with, a union made up of its employees. These unions first demand is a contract to require every government employee to pay the union “dues.” As the number of government employees increases, the revenue to the union generated by these employees’ dues increases.



That revenue is used to pay for the salaries of the union bosses, who then make the decisions about which politicians get campaign contributions from the union, which are also paid for by these union dues.



So—if a politician supports bigger government, the union bosses make a bigger salary, and have more money to make sure that politician gets more campaign contributions. These “private” organizations get their money from government workers forced to pay them money, money which comes from your taxes, and then use that money to elect politicians who will raise your taxes.



Interestingly enough, in addition to this incestuous relationship, the government bureaucrats who actually draft the budgets also make more money if their agency grows. Their personal interest is advanced by increasing spending, not by saving you money.



Your tax dollars are, therefore, administered by politicians who get power by currying favor with union bosses who get money and power by increasing your tax burden and by administrators who make more money by increasing your tax burden. The only people who make less money by increasing the size of government in this system are the folks who pay the bill, taxpayers like you.



Madison predicted that if government allows any interest to take control of the levers of government, that interest would use the power of government to make more money. He just never thought it would be those who work for the government who would take over the government for their own benefit. Welcome to the new millennium, President Madison. "


This is funny too............


"Voters Guide For Immigrants Stirs Debate http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/10025724.htm?1c

10-27-04

Hoping to decipher the state's perplexing ballot propositions, a coalition of advocacy groups has published an unprecedented ``immigrant voters guide'' for tens of thousands of foreign-born citizens across California. But while the coalition claims to be non-partisan, its guide might create a different impression: The recommendations side 100 percent with the official position of the state Democratic Party.



******************************



Full legislative text, analyses and votes are available on the State web server at:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov"

I think the Iraq war was a poor use of money that we don't have, but to say we are "mired in debt" due to the Iraq war is incorrect. The Iraq war is just a drop in the bucket.

Debt Clock (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/)


Good point... perhaps more appropriate to say mired in debt in part because of the war in Iraq.

Good point... perhaps more appropriate to say mired in debt in part because of the war in Iraq.

More accurately , mired in debt and the war in Iraq isn't helping any.

Neither are the tax cuts during a war....

Neither are the tax cuts during a war....

Bingo!

Bingo!

Ok, so what does this have to do with the FACT that we are going to see a lot less of our own money if Kerry is elected?

Are you all actually wage earners, or are you still on the tit or something?
Take a look at your pay stub for pete's sake!

I could have bought a WRX STI with the money I spent in taxes this year alone!

Ok, so what does this have to do with the FACT that we are going to see a lot less of our own money if Kerry is elected?

Are you all actually wage earners, or are you still on the tit or something?
Take a look at your pay stub for pete's sake!

I could have bought a WRX STI with the money I spent in taxes this year alone!

Well I don't make over 200k a year so I won't see any tax increase....If I believe Kerry...And well if I believe Bush....Wait a minute that's an oxy-moron....

I pay alot of taxes...It sucks....but you're thinking that JR isn't gonna raise taxes and you're wrong. Unless he wants to saddle generations to come with huge debt (which he has already shown he is willing to do) So good for you that you will have to pay less taxes at the expense of your's and my children.

Now I remember why I stopped wasting my time here...

ditto...

Well I don't make over 200k a year so I won't see any tax increase....If I believe Kerry...And well if I believe Bush....Wait a minute that's an oxy-moron....

I pay alot of taxes...It sucks....but you're thinking that JR isn't gonna raise taxes and you're wrong. Unless he wants to saddle generations to come with huge debt (which he has already shown he is willing to do) So good for you that you will have to pay less taxes at the expense of your's and my children.

You seriously believe that Kerry will only raise taxes on those making over 200k? What about NOT renewing the existing cuts for everyone? That's not a rollback, now is it? I think EVERYONE knows what will happen to their wallets if Kerry gets in there.

Again, I'm guessing you remember how democrats said our grandchildren would be burdened with the cost of military spending in the 80s...... that's all paid for!

I know Bush won't raise my taxes, because it would be the wrong thing to do.
Again, it's like a Toll to pay for a bridge. The funny thing is that when the bridge is paid off the toll continues to rise.

You seriously believe that Kerry will only raise taxes on those making over 200k? What about NOT renewing the existing cuts for everyone? That's not a rollback, now is it? I think EVERYONE knows what will happen to their wallets if Kerry gets in there.

At least he can look the public in the eye and say that he won't...More than I can say for Bush and his "We ain't did nuthin wrong in this administration"

And I could really care less if he doesn't renew the tax cut that shouldn't have been implemented in the first place. At least our deficit will start to drop a little bit and the economy will start to turn around and we can start paying for this B.S. war that we are fighting. The 350 bucks or whatever the tax cut gave me isn't really worth destroying the economy over.

I know Bush won't raise my taxes, because it would be the wrong thing to do.

Yeah, we all know Bush has never did anything wrong, *cough* cocaine *cough* *cough* WMD's *cough*

You're taking his word for it and I am taking Kerry's word for it. I think Kerry is more trustworthy than Bush. It's not really a stretch at all if you can stop listening to campaign ads and start doing research.