How much does it drop the car front and rear?

The drop is around 3/4ths of an inch to a full inch drop. But that is with the struts to compliment the springs.

i know that this isn't the best pic, but here's what my car looks like w/p1 springs and ver.6 struts... it might give you a good idea of how the drop is.

well, it's a ****ty picture, but i tried...
oh, and i love the p1 springs. for looks, they could lower the car a bit more, but overall, i am more than pleased with them.

The P1 Setup was designed to not drop the car significantly. Prodrive finds that with the suspension geometry of the cars that the cars run better with more ride height. That is why the Prodrive setups will never drop the car more than like an inch. I have the Prodrive GT setup on my car and the drop is definitely not more than an inch.

would you say p1 springs and KYB struts wil STi tophats would be a good, cheap persons suspension?

THe p1s have springs rates that are very good. Not too stiff at all.

-Gagan

Gagan,

I would say that you should go with the V5/6 struts with the springs. You have to remember that Prodrive engineered those springs to work with the Version 5/6 struts. But yeah that would be the only thing I recommend. You definitely cannot go wrong with the prodrive P1 setup.

I don't think i can afford v5/6 struts

:(

I mean, with those, springs, and top hats, i'm looking at like $950

Alex has quoted me a price for Tien HAs, just over that.

I really don't want coil overs, they are kinda stiff for ride comfort, cause of the springs. I'd love a P1 setup, but i'm not really sure i ca afford it. I'm still saving!

-Gagan

Unless, Gary, you got something else you want to PM with, like, oh , i don't know, a deal :)

-Gagan

Doh, if you told me over the summer I would have sold you my Version 5/6 struts for a really good price. They would have been used, but the struts were in good condition.

I will see what I can do. Did you try talking to Chris and seeing what he can get the P1 setup for?

No, but i'll do that.


I know that Bill has been running his for about 2 years now.

-Gagan

Bill is P1 Man. hahaha He gets all the P1 stuff.

I am STI Man. lol. I get all the Pink stuff.

There are some pics here at the bottom of the page of my car with the P1 suspension:

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52

Spring drop is 22mm from what I've read.

Oh, so tempting!


Me want P1!

-Gagan

You will notice that Prodrive setups will not drop the car too much. You have seen my car right Gagan? I have the same setup as Chris and it is no very low at all but just right for me.

P1 suspension/sti top mounts (pink springs)

Jay
'subaru community enthusiast'

A very minimal drop. Just the way I like it.

McDade your car looks hot

yea it looks good, but myne is better. lol

Erik

Here is what mine looks like. It is not the P1 setup but the Prodrive GT setup.

950 for the setup???
that's the exact setup i have on my car and i don't think that it cost that much.
springs= ~300
struts= ~250 (got the ver.6 springs/struts for 500 from avsports and sold the springs for 250)
tophats= ~240
altogether= ~790
it's a great combination. how much are the ha's?
thanks
greg

Originally posted by IMPREZIV
McDade your car looks hot

thanks dog, I wish it still looked like that :(

here is another you can see the drop a little better, its on slight incline, the rear is not really that low, just a smidge higer...once we get the image tag I can put more pics up.

Jay

thanks for the info

http://www.slowchildrenplaying.com/ftp/scoob4.jpg

this is my car with the Prodrive P1 setup from SPD, the car is stiff and bouncy and corners like a fiend. Body roll and diving when on the brakes has been reduced severely. If you are looking for a car that is lowered and has a plush ride, then look else where. Like I said before this combo is a stiff ride.

I also have this set-up. Although I dunno if it's WR or not (all red struts and springs). On the track it is almost too stiff, as I noticed there was quite a bit of oversteer. Very gradual, though. The combination w/ P1 wheels and good rubber makes it very sharp handling. There is one problem that I am experiencing however. The rear struts are starting to get some stiction. I can feel it hesitate over very small bumps, at very slow speeds. It might mean I might have to replace/rebuild them.
Speaking of which, have ne of you guys used a combination of P1 springs with KYB struts? Will it work? Also, how bout the dampening??

I agree with urbanwhitetrash. My car handles like a go-kart, but the ride is about as rough as I'd want to go on the streets (at least with these crappy Michigan roads). Every now and again I hit certain portions on the freeways that make the car dance up and down. This is with the P1 suspension and 17 inch rims/tires.

wow if you guys think the p1 is harsh...never ever get the v5.

I want from the V5, to the p1, the V5 is a bone cracking bakc breaking, teeth shattering ride..

IMO, the P1 is so much nicer and a perfect ride, also works better in the states as it it was designed to handle crappy uk roads, wich are just like crappy us roads!

the V5, designed for the glass smooth highways of Japan...

P1 = great suspension, and I would buy it again in heart beat :)

Jay

>I also have this set-up. Although I dunno if it's WR or not (all red struts and springs).

WR Sports are gray the P1's are red.

Look here:

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36

As stated the P1 isn't a plush ride but it isn't bone crushing either, just a notch below. When I went from the stock wheels to the 17" P7's w/ 45 series the ride got a little more stiff. Overall I've very happy with them.

Peaty, so the gray springs SPD, sells as the p1 is actually the WR sport?

from my understanding those springs are softer than the true p1s...

correct me if im wrong, im too lazy to search for the proper answer?

if that is the case can the red springs still be had? thats what I had...and I loved them .

Jay

look, compared to a lot of springs, coilovers out there, the p1 is pretty plush imo. i mean, it's definately stiff, but not even close to the point where it's uncomfortable, and i have a huge commute every day and have taken it on multiple 6 hour road trips. no complaints, and none from my passengers, ever.

oh, and p1 springs used to be red, but the last batch or two that prodrive/eibach made were in grey.
and remember, the prodrive wr and gt are grey bilstein shocks with specifically matched eibach springs. however, the p1 setup is the ver.6 red struts (made by kyb) matched with the red(original)/grey(newer) springs.

so, i love the p1 setup, great for all around use. need to get the car to a track more often though.

greg

The Prodrive GT/WR setup is silver/grayish struts with black Eibach made Prodrive rated springs. The P1 setup is Pink Eibach made Prodrive rated springs with STI Version 5/6 red struts.

Man I still havn't put mine on yet and I've had them for a year. I will be putting them on soon though. Has everyone kept the same alignment specs with this setup?

When I installed my P1's I went and got an alignment done. I went with the COBB specs, but in the spring I am planning on getting some pillow mounts and I am going to change to the specs that Mike Shields at SPD recommends, but I might go to 0 degree toe in on the rear. Not sure yet though.

this is the specs I have right now.

Front:
-1.0 degree camber
0" toe in

Rear:
0 degree camber
1/8" toe in

Same deal here, except I got the STi Tops as well. Basically, I roll a lot before the car does (and I think if it starts to roll, my tires would give first). As long as your tires are doing a good job, this is the setup to get if you don't want to tinker with dampening and ride height.

I also have ver V springs in my car and they are pretty damn stiff, so i'm thinking about changing to the P1s myself.

Ed

problem is finding a set of the p1s...

just get coilovers. ;)

Originally posted by Takashi
problem is finding a set of the p1s...


Your in luck they have them here:

http://www.spdusa.com/prod01.htm


-Mark

well there you go... are you sure mike actually has them? i got mine from him, but availability is sometimes a beyotch. if he does have them, it's great doing business with him. he's got a TON of background with our cars...
greg

just checked the link (quickly) and it looks like spd sells it a set with the sti struts... can you even get springs only?

The P1 setup is Pink Eibach made Prodrive rated springs with STI Version 5/6 red struts.

Can anyone tell me the source of this information? I've recently purchased a used set of P1's and, expecting Bilstein struts, I was confused to find "Subaru" and "KYB" stamped on the (red) strut bodies.

I'm finding them a bit bouncy at low speeds or when cruising. I need to decide if firmer strut tops will solve the problem or if I'm going to need to switch to a softer setup with lower spring rates.

Thanks,

-Bud

The P1 struts are KYB shells, not sure of the valving, it may be a Prodrive setup in there. I'm positive they are KYB I have them myself. The prodrive GT and WR sport are Bilstein not the P1. The Bilstein's have very fancy valving and make the struts cost a little over 2X what the P1 struts cost.

Peaty

Thanks for the info Peaty.

The previous owner says that mine are one of the 50 original sets imported by Mike Shields. I just didn't expect to see KYB on the side and I wanted to make sure I knew what I had.

Did you have any problem with bouncing? Not a large motion, just a bit of oscillation over small undulations in the road. Also, what is your setup? What tires, wheel size, strut-tops, tire pressures, etc. do you run?

I got my setup from Mike S a while ago too. I'm using the matched P1 springs (Eibach with proprietary windings) P7- 17" wheels 215/45 series Toyo's I run 36 in the front and 38 in the rear most of the time. OEM hats. 20mm rear sway bar w/ solid links, front and rear strut tower bars.

It's stiff but not what I would call bouncy, I mean it's not like the car will oscillate after a bump. More like a kick in the butt over a good bump. It's not like I weigh a lot but I can't push the suspension down when the car sits there. Very little nose dive when stopping, pretty flat corneing too :)

You're running OEM strut hats? Hmm... Must be the tires then. I'm running soft 16" all seasons (Dunlop SP Sport 5000's). I love them on the street with the stock suspension, but I bet they're causing my problem with the P1 suspension. My setup feels exactly like you describe with one exception. At low speed over what looks like flat road it will bounce repeatedly - undamped oscillations. (It drives me nuts pulling out of the subdivision.) It does the same thing to a lesser extent at cruising speed.

I'm gonna' go swap to my Azenis and see what happens.

Thanks again.

-Bud

>At low speed over what looks like flat road it will bounce repeatedly - undamped oscillations.

Are you sure it's not just the road surface? I get something similar but it's only over the same small section of road. I wouldn't call mine undampened though. Your struts aren't leaking or anything are they?

I'm not leaking anything that I can see at a glance. I'll take a good close look later on when I pull the struts off off to put new hats on.

Maybe undamped is a bit of an exageration. It does die away, but it bounces several times before fading. I don't think I have a strut problem, unless there's different valving for small motions then for the big ones. The struts handle actual bumps just fine (even really big speed bumps) - one good kick in the butt followed by a quick recovery and no bouncing. It's small waves in the road that you can barely see that make the damn thing bounce like a covered wagon. When it happens it's a small motion (maybe an inch or two), but it bounces several times before fading away - very annoying.

I got my set over the summer from Mike @ SPD, and I'm sure he still carries them - just that you have to get the whole set, not just the springs. The struts I got was the STi red strut (OEM ones that came on the GC style STi), with gray springs.

As for the bounces on what seems to be a flat road, I'm thinking it's the road - after all, this setup reflects all the little bumps from the road. And unless you know what the hell goes on when tuning suspension, the "just get coilover" statement really doesn't tell the whole truth - I mean, these are engineered by Prodrive, and if you have the skills to tune a suspension to perform better, more power to you. Me being a guy that knows squat about suspension tuning, would just be happy with this setup.

Just a quick update for anybody interested. I switched to the Falcon Azenis and bumped up the pressure a bit and things improved some. It's a little harsher now, but it doesn't oscillate as much on small waves in the road. I think it would be even better on low-profile 17" tires and with STi strut tops. I'll either have to get used to it or sell it and get a softer setup for my sensitive back side. ;) I do love the way it handles and the balance is great.

Thanks for the feed back guys (especially Peaty).

-Bud