I was browsing consupmtion junction last night, and i watched the latest batch of execution videos - and what they are doing is quite clever - Killing these people individually is much more personal than taking out a crowd of troops, and as a result these videos are...well....terrifying - and they know that. If these guys had just been killed in some ambush we would all shrug collectively, and feel a breif flash of sorrow then move on. Except of course you guys who would stand up in front of the american flag and listen to the top gun soundtrack with a tear in your eye, but that gets a bit impractical. This thread isn't really going anywhere, so i'll make my point, then ask a question.

My point : These videos are absolutely terrible, and are a sharp reminder of the seriousness of the situation - somthing that is watered down for us for the most part.

So, i guess the question is - should these videos be available for the american public? What do you guys all think?

I was browsing consupmtion junction last night, and i watched the latest batch of execution videos - and what they are doing is quite clever - Killing these people individually is much more personal than taking out a crowd of troops, and as a result these videos are...well....terrifying - and they know that. If these guys had just been killed in some ambush we would all shrug collectively, and feel a breif flash of sorrow then move on. Except of course you guys who would stand up in front of the american flag and listen to the top gun soundtrack with a tear in your eye, but that gets a bit impractical. This thread isn't really going anywhere, so i'll make my point, then ask a question.

I don't understand why you credit the terrorists with brilliance based on cowardly acts?

In addition, I don't understand why you poke fun at people who pride themselves as Americans. I'm not saying that these types of people are more patriotic than yourself but this paragraph exemplifies why people think liberals and few democrats are terrorist sympathizers.


My point : These videos are absolutely terrible, and are a sharp reminder of the seriousness of the situation - somthing that is watered down for us for the most part.

So, i guess the question is - should these videos be available for the american public? What do you guys all think?

Of course they should be available to the American public. Although it's a good scare tactic as you suggest, I think it shows blatant ignorance on the terrorists part by killing people that are trying to help fellow Islamic people. Furthermore, every beheading discredits true Islam and embarrasses a vast majority of the Muslim community. Brilliant!? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/bigeek.gif

I don't understand why you credit the terrorists with brilliance based on cowardly acts?

In addition, I don't understand why you poke fun at people who pride themselves as Americans. I'm not saying that these types of people are more patriotic than yourself but this paragraph exemplifies why people think liberals and few democrats are terrorist sympathizers.

Of course they should be available to the American public. Although it's a good scare tactic as you suggest, I think it shows blatant ignorance on the terrorists part by killing people that are trying to help fellow Islamic people. Furthermore, every beheading discredits true Islam and embarrasses a vast majority of the Muslim community. Brilliant!? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/bigeek.gif

Agreed. Their actions have dehumanized those of the Islamic faith more than any other action possible. If it were left up to majority vote in the U.S., I'd bet we'd be ok dropping a nuke on an Islamic city every time someone got their head sawed off in the name of Allah.

I don't understand why you credit the terrorists with brilliance based on cowardly acts?

Er, sorta sarcasm - i didn't mean brilliant in a way that i respect. However, they are maximizing their terror with hardly any effort, and we're falling for it. But it's also funny because they are seperating themselves from the islamic majority, while pissing off every nation in the entire world. Brilliant like that :)

In addition, I don't understand why you poke fun at people who pride themselves as Americans. I'm not saying that these types of people are more patriotic than yourself but this paragraph exemplifies why people think liberals and few democrats are terrorist sympathizers.


I'll make fun of anyone who takes somthing to an extreme. It could be idiot punks scrawling the anarchy "A" with a bic pen on anything that will take the ink, or idiot who decorates their house with everything americana and relies on pure patriotism to define who they are because they are pathetic in every other way. I don't know if you were just in the mood to be offended, but that comment was in no way aimed towards you. If you ever get the chance to go to "country waffles" off sunrise, well, number 1, DONT, and number 2 it will illustrate for you the exact reason why I hate lots of americans. Its a terrible mix of handpainted wooden cows, pastel colors, christain gobbledygook, stockcars, silk plants, american flags, etc.. I'm attacking those people.

Agreed. Their actions have dehumanized those of the Islamic faith more than any other action possible. If it were left up to majority vote in the U.S., I'd bet we'd be ok dropping a nuke on an Islamic city every time someone got their head sawed off in the name of Allah.

You're right, even the liberals are starting to get pretty pissed at this crap. I usually try and stay in the middle of the argument no matter what - but I'm having a hard time staying balanced. Luckily, i think the islamic fringe is going to screw things up so badly for themselves that there is just going to be a huge multi-national witch hunt .

Man, I've been taking painkillers for the past week - and a week ago i felt like i could take every one of you on and make you cry - now all i can say is "oh yeah salty, well...you have a stupid haircut! there! how do you like that, buttlord?".

hahaha, i'll remove myself from this forum 'till i can actually make a point.

Er, sorta sarcasm - i didn't mean brilliant in a way that i respect. However, they are maximizing their terror with hardly any effort, and we're falling for it. But it's also funny because they are seperating themselves from the islamic majority, while pissing off every nation in the entire world. Brilliant like that :)

We're not falling for it anymore... You're falling for it once again because you just went out of your way to watch a horrific movie!. Most of the American public fell for it with Nick Berg (myself included), but pass it off with a "that was so last week!" attitude whenever there's another beheading -or- kidnapping. It lost it's flare awhile ago, constellation... you just re-kindled it for yourself.


I'll make fun of anyone who takes somthing to an extreme. It could be idiot punks scrawling the anarchy "A" with a bic pen on anything that will take the ink, or idiot who decorates their house with everything americana and relies on pure patriotism to define who they are because they are pathetic in every other way. I don't know if you were just in the mood to be offended, but that comment was in no way aimed towards you. If you ever get the chance to go to "country waffles" off sunrise, well, number 1, DONT, and number 2 it will illustrate for you the exact reason why I hate lots of americans. Its a terrible mix of handpainted wooden cows, pastel colors, christain gobbledygook, stockcars, silk plants, american flags, etc.. I'm attacking those people.
But members of an extreme Islamic group are brilliant, right?! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/261.gif

But members of an extreme Islamic group are brilliant, right?!

er....sarcasm, dry humor. oi.

It lost it's flare awhile ago, constellation... you just re-kindled it for yourself.



Really? I'm still pissed about it - does that mean I'm stupid? Maybe i should get with the bandwagon and pretend that if i care, the terrorists are winning.

Man, I've been taking painkillers for the past week - and a week ago i felt like i could take every one of you on and make you cry - now all i can say is "oh yeah salty, well...you have a stupid haircut! there! how do you like that, buttlord?".

hahaha, i'll remove myself from this forum 'till i can actually make a point.

Good idea... the empty-headedness and ignorance is strong in these posts.

*Note to others* Be sure to blame pharmaceuticals for futile posts.

haha +2 points for the nice left hook salty haha

Good idea... the empty-headedness and ignorance is strong in these posts.

*Note to others* Be sure to blame pharmaceuticals for futile posts.


Hhahaha, you beeotch. touche'. :D

Futile huh? Are you a killer robot now? Hhahaha, the idea of a post being futile is pretty funny in itself - isn't this entire forum futile? All it does is give us an excuse to intellectually armwrestle while we sit bored at work. There is literally nothing else this forum does, so don't act like we are changing anything. Are you in the SCA by any chance? I'd bet you'd have the amazing ability to act like royalty when you are dressed in a knight-suit made of sweatpants and cardboard.

While i may be empty-headed, I ain't no ignorant som'bich. So lets keep it above the belt, Sassy. :)

The beheadings seem like an effective tool if you believe that the motives of those doing this are to anger the Americans, prompting them to use additional military force in the middle east. I'm not saying it is good logic that these terrorists are using, but I do think it is their goal to keep the US in a position of perceived aggression in the middle east, so that they may play on the a middle eastern perception that the US wishes to inflict our "corrupt and debaucherous" society on the good "Allah fearing" Arabs. They are trying to keep the world divided, and they are succeeding by tactics such as this.
So yeah, maybe brilliant has the wrong connotations to these actions, but I think these murders are an effective part of the Jihad strategy. As Constellation said, these videos evoke a far greater emotional response than people getting killed in an ambush.

it will illustrate for you the exact reason why I hate lots of americans. Its a terrible mix of handpainted wooden cows, pastel colors, christain gobbledygook, stockcars, silk plants, american flags, etc.. I'm attacking those people.

Typical **** for brains coastal wannabe-elitist. You're attacking people because of their faith? You're attacking people because they like NASCAR? Grow up.

Hahahaha...I think faith and NASCAR are two GREAT reasons to attack someone on the personal level...hahahahaha...I guess I've got some growin up to do hahahaha.

Typical **** for brains coastal wannabe-elitist. You're attacking people because of their faith? You're attacking people because they like NASCAR? Grow up.

dear god, no, you idiot. I'm attacking those people because that **** is stupid. C'mon, that stuff is stupid, admit it. Handpainted wooden cows doing wacky things like skiing backwards? Oh no, be careful cow! THATS STUPID. Tiny barns and fake minature white picket fences with tiny 2d chickens behind it? RETARDED. Portrait of ted nugent with a beard - who is supposed to be jesus i guess - holding a bird and giving you a surfer wink? STUPID. Cutesey farmland scenes painted only in pastel watercolor washes with pseudo-inspirational lowbrow poems written underneath it. TERRIBLE. Thomas kinkaid. GAH. These things are stupid funked, and you know it. It doesnt matter if i'm from the coast, which i'm not, stupid things and stupid people transcend our geopolitcal boundries. Now paint an american eagle on the hood of your IROC and mix it with all the aforementioned ameri-gear and maybe throw in a bit of john cougar mellencamp, and *whallah*, i hate you. There is nothing i can say on this thread that does'nt get misinterpreted, and it seems bling was the only one who at least got my point.

ah well....

My father along with countles United States Marines did the same thing to Vietnamese (not just Viet Cong) for SLAM (Search Locate Annialate Mission) operations in Cambodia, where the CIA directed the objectives of decapitating certain officers, and collecting the heads/photographing it beside the body, then dropping message leaflets throughout the northern regions.

They did this for phsycological warfare in the name of the U.S., and for the effect a separated head had amongst the budhist, ying & yang, and other tao originated religions where the soul cannot reach the heavens when severed. The Confucians believed that it was important to present oneself to 'the ancestors' whole, and therefore one of the most feared methods of execution in ancient China was decapitation.

Throughout history the europeans (Spain's conquistadors, Napoleonic France {Guillotine}, English monarchs, Czar's, Goths etc etc etc), persians, mesoamericans (also by ritual), basically almost every single creed throughout the history of man has utilized this method of war.

So if it surprises you, the country in which you live in has sponsored and participated in a vast number of torture and terrorism, that it makes this media glorified chain of events look like a grain of sand in comparison.

Wake up my sons, and realize your savage origins and current environment.
I don't think it is right by any means, but the countless masses of so-called patriotic imbeciles that have their hog blood boiling from all the doublespeak of media glorifications and calling to arms and destruction of mass proportions is what irks me.

Stay tuned to channel zero.
Remember this people: Before making affecting decisions, supporting or opposing a call for action, taking on responsibilities that consume time and effort, or simply debating a heated issue such as this.....there is a difference in the actions of a man that uses his logic compared to his emotions to expedite his destiny.

I see a lot of you guys see an image fed to you one instant, then blast out in anger as its desired reactionary. Try avoid the shock and awe response from your daily conundrum of world & personal events, and instead utilize tranquil open minded logic to decipher what has been provided, then dissect the pros & cons, rights & wrongs, and origins and/or causes of hostile actions as we've been so conveniently served with immense highlight after the fall of Sadam and US patriotism sentiment.

Question that which you do not FULLY understand, whether it be religion, laws of governance, vaginal aromatherapy, and most of all conjecture.

-OLMEK

dear god, no, you idiot. I'm attacking those people because that **** is stupid. C'mon, that stuff is stupid, admit it. Handpainted wooden cows doing wacky things like skiing backwards? Oh no, be careful cow! THATS STUPID. Tiny barns and fake minature white picket fences with tiny 2d chickens behind it? RETARDED. Portrait of ted nugent with a beard - who is supposed to be jesus i guess - holding a bird and giving you a surfer wink? STUPID. Cutesey farmland scenes painted only in pastel watercolor washes with pseudo-inspirational lowbrow poems written underneath it. TERRIBLE. Thomas kinkaid. GAH. These things are stupid funked, and you know it. It doesnt matter if i'm from the coast, which i'm not, stupid things and stupid people transcend our geopolitcal boundries. Now paint an american eagle on the hood of your IROC and mix it with all the aforementioned ameri-gear and maybe throw in a bit of john cougar mellencamp, and *whallah*, i hate you. There is nothing i can say on this thread that does'nt get misinterpreted, and it seems bling was the only one who at least got my point.

ah well....

OK good answer. :)

I like the "pillhead" version of Connie...very funny cow hating stuff.

The beheading videos should be required viewing at schools.

OLMEK is correct in that lopping off the heads of one's enemy is a spectacular way of sending a message.
These videos are released to affect a reaction.
If no one reacted, I suppose that there would be no futher beheadings.

Think about it...you can name every American that has been beheaded but can't name the last 4 GI's that died in a road-side bombing.

I like the "pillhead" version of Connie...very funny cow hating stuff.

The beheading videos should be required viewing at schools.

OLMEK is correct in that lopping off the heads of one's enemy is a spectacular way of sending a message.
These videos are released to affect a reaction.
If no one reacted, I suppose that there would be no futher beheadings.

Think about it...you can name every American that has been beheaded but can't name the last 4 GI's that died in a road-side bombing.


I'm confused, you advocate schools showng the videos and then go on to say that if no one payed attention to them they would stop. :confused:

-Chris

Sorry 'bout that, I was practicing my Kerryese.

I had two thoughts going on and F'ed up.

So we're all in agreeance that these videos are real, correct?!

I watched both videos and think they are both very real indeed... right down to the stiffness of the limbs to the blood literally pouring from the neck.

I didn't want anyone here to discredit them with a similar tin foil theory like some people did with the Berg video and the white Wal-mart chair. :rolleyes:

Sorry 'bout that, I was practicing my Kerryese.

I had two thoughts going on and F'ed up.

Kerryese... very nice. :) It's okay, having more than one thought in your head at the same time causing you to F up is verry Bushesque of you. ;) :p

In all seriousness I can see where you are coming from on both points regarding the video. On one hand, more people need to see what these animalistic people are doing to civilian contractors trying to help the people of Iraq. On the other hand, they make videos of thesze killings for one reason, and one reason only, propoganda. Therefore paying attention to them is only fullfilling their goal to terrorize. It's a bit of a Catch 22.

-Chris

...It's okay, having more than one thought in your head at the same time causing you to F up is verry Bushesque of you. ;) :p-Chris


:D

I'm gonna have to agree with Constellation here. If 'brilliant' is the right word to describe it or not is insignificant. The beheading is a highly effective method of terrorizing people.

Throughout history the europeans (Spain's conquistadors, Napoleonic France {Guillotine}, English monarchs, Czar's, Goths etc etc etc), persians, mesoamericans (also by ritual), basically almost every single creed throughout the history of man has utilized this method of war.

So if it surprises you, the country in which you live in has sponsored and participated in a vast number of torture and terrorism, that it makes this media glorified chain of events look like a grain of sand in comparison.

Wake up my sons, and realize your savage origins and current environment.
I don't think it is right by any means, but the countless masses of so-called patriotic imbeciles that have their hog blood boiling from all the doublespeak of media glorifications and calling to arms and destruction of mass proportions is what irks me.


-OLMEK

Please tell me I'm reading wrongly when I see "My sons" in that post. What is this, Mr. Miyagi meets Michael Moore? I'm betting number one that your dad did army sanitation in Vietnam. If your dad is even more than 25 years old.

Now, as for beheadings throughout history....lots of different people have done it for different reasons. The US has at least never had an official policy of beheading civillian workers of foreign governments. In fact, in general the US does NOT make a point of ordering the execution of non-combatants who are captured and in US custody. That's exactly what's happening in these videos; captured, disarmed, bound people being slaughtered. That should make your blood boil, no matter who does it.

What is it that irks you about people being outraged about this kind of behavior? Were you irked at people who were outraged over Abu Ghraib? It makes no sense at all to say "eh, we should be calm because this is the kind of stuff that happens." That's precisely the reason to be angry about it.


I don't know about the rest of this board, but I can't think of a punishment severe enough for this class of war criminal. The murder of non-combatants should be punished any time, any place, with as much fury as we can all muster.

The conquistadors had an execution method for people like this: burning.

By the way, you write like a ten cent novelist. I've seen more moving prose on bathroom stalls.

I didn't want anyone here to discredit them with a similar tin foil theory like some people did with the Berg video and the white Wal-mart chair.


I think we all wanted to believe the nick berg video was a fake. I certainly did. I had never seen anything like that and it tore me up. But...after watching the other videos, there is no way its a fake - and i feel stupid for even entertaining that thought. Poor bastards...

By the way, you write like a ten cent novelist. I've seen more moving prose on bathroom stalls.


Werd, I've noticed this too. Like a highschool student trying to write like tom robbins trying to write like ayn rand. It's terrible.

personally, I like OLMEK's posts, but I don't know why.

His thread does lead me to a new thought. All of the conservatives are on Kerry's arse because he came home and said bad things happened in the Vietnam war. This is not a novel concept. AND he is not the only one who's ever said this. In fact lots of people seem to agree that some pretty F***ed up things happened over there. So my question is this: Why is this so shocking?

personally, I like OLMEK's posts, but I don't know why.

His thread does lead me to a new thought. All of the conservatives are on Kerry's arse because he came home and said bad things happened in the Vietnam war. This is not a novel concept. AND he is not the only one who's ever said this. In fact lots of people seem to agree that some pretty F***ed up things happened over there. So my question is this: Why is this so shocking?

You do have a point. But, I think the reason people are angry at Kerry isn't just that he criticized the war. It's that he came home, threw away his medals, said his fellow soldiers were war criminals....fine and dandy, free speech is good and unjust wars should be criticized....but then, 30 years later, he says "I'm qualified to be the president because of my service in Vietnam."

You can't have it both ways. If Vietnam was terrible and nothing but a crime, and Kerry was so ashamed of it he threw away his medals...why is he boasting about it now? I think that's the real motivation people have for attacking him on this, especially other veterans who served honorably in vietnam and are probably more in tune with the hypocrisy of the position.

He threw away his medals to prove a point and to bring attention to the fact that it was an unjust war. Whether right or not, he did it for the awe factor. To say that he is claiming that becasue of his war record alone he qualified to serve as president is absolute insanity. He is just pointing out that he actually served his country, whether the war was just or not, unlike pu$$y-ass george bush. He is also pointing out that he is in better understanding of what our troops are having to go through over in Iraq and therefore won't jump to throwing troops into adverse situations and quagmire Vietnam like wars, as bush has done.

-Chris

He threw away his medals to prove a point and to bring attention to the fact that it was an unjust war. Whether right or not, he did it for the awe factor. To say that he is claiming that becasue of his war record alone he qualified to serve as president is absolute insanity. He is just pointing out that he actually served his country, whether the war was just or not, unlike pu$$y-ass george bush. He is also pointing out that he is in better understanding of what our troops are having to go through over in Iraq and therefore won't jump to throwing troops into adverse situations and quagmire Vietnam like wars, as bush has done.

-Chris

Well, that's not all he did. Did you see the Democratic convention? Vietnam was the center piece of Kerry's campaign. His whole credibility for the war on terror, for Iraq, for everything defense, is based on his Vietnam military service. What else has he talked about that qualifies him to lead on defense? Vietnam is his presidential credential as far as he's told us.

Now, he threw away his medals because he said he was ashamed of what was happening there and he thought Vietnam was one big atrocity. Which is fine. But it's no fair now, and I think this is why so many veterans are opposing him, to come up and say "I want to be the president because I served in vietnam, unlike everyone else." He's already told us what he thought of serving in vietnam: it was just a big free-for-all of raping and pillaging. How does participating in that make you qualified to lead? And if that's not what happened...then was he lying earlier?

Well, that's not all he did. Did you see the Democratic convention? Vietnam was the center piece of Kerry's campaign. His whole credibility for the war on terror, for Iraq, for everything defense, is based on his Vietnam military service. What else has he talked about that qualifies him to lead on defense? Vietnam is his presidential credential as far as he's told us.

Now, he threw away his medals because he said he was ashamed of what was happening there and he thought Vietnam was one big atrocity. Which is fine. But it's no fair now, and I think this is why so many veterans are opposing him, to come up and say "I want to be the president because I served in vietnam, unlike everyone else." He's already told us what he thought of serving in vietnam: it was just a big free-for-all of raping and pillaging. How does participating in that make you qualified to lead? And if that's not what happened...then was he lying earlier?

Agreed.

What do you think of when some says "Vietnam" in conversation? I can't possibly be a warm and fuzzy thought, right? It doesn't have that same ring compared to someone that says "WWII" in conversation, does it?

It's because Vietnam was a chaotic war that tore this country at the seams when WWII brought this Country together with patriotic ideals and direction.

My point is even if Kerry was a modern day Audie Murphy during his tour to Vietnam it still makes his campaign look bad when he talks about his service.

He threw away his medals to prove a point and to bring attention to the fact that it was an unjust war. -Chris

Unjust? Are you f'ing kidding me? Do you know what happened after we left? I personally know people who had family members killed because they were educated and the communists felt threatened by that.

Unjust my ass. If we had won the PR war at home Vietnam would have joined the civilized war decades ago, rather than in just the last couple years.

The injustice is that we felt it neccesary to rid Vietnam of communism even though it wasn't really our place to do so. We were acting as the world's police force, and a lot of people around the world and in our own country don't agree with doing that. Internationally, it's a good way to make people fear/hate you (which the British Empire showed us is a bad path to go down) and at home it makes people wonder why we're fighting in another country when we have so many problems to deal with here (education, gangs, welfare, homlessness, etc...). I don't believe anybody would argue that the North Vietnamese were a good gov't...just like noone would argue that Saddam was a good dictator. We just may have overstepped our bounds, and we're still feeling the reprecusions from that now.

He threw away his medals to prove a point and to bring attention to the fact that it was an unjust war.
-Chris

I don't know what's worse...

Kerry ordering the destruction of committee documents to justify lifting of the trade embargo against Vietnam as chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs -or- throwing his medals over the White House fence to prove a point?!

Who knew that normalization of relations with Vietnam > Abandoned Vietnam servicemen. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/87.gif

My father along with countles United States Marines did the same thing to Vietnamese (not just Viet Cong) for SLAM (Search Locate Annialate Mission) operations in Cambodia, where the CIA directed the objectives of decapitating certain officers, and collecting the heads/photographing it beside the body, then dropping message leaflets throughout the northern regions.

They did this for phsycological warfare in the name of the U.S., and for the effect a separated head had amongst the budhist, ying & yang, and other tao originated religions where the soul cannot reach the heavens when severed. The Confucians believed that it was important to present oneself to 'the ancestors' whole, and therefore one of the most feared methods of execution in ancient China was decapitation.

What unit was your Father in, Olmek?! Let me guess... it's still under CIA safeguard, right?

I have a couple of Vietnam Recon Marines that say you're story sounds way off base:


"but what that person describes is certainly never heard of... the only thing we did with our enemy dead was put them out by the road (highway 1) we would be court-martialed if we did anything like you heard of."

So much for your "countless" claim...

The story your buddy provided was way off base...as you might know i lived in the villages with the people of vietnamese.the Marines, not the Army, had the CAP program from 1965-1971, a "win your hearts and minds concept" that worked very effectively.

Here's the CAP program webpage: http://capmarine.com/ Hmmm... no head chopping there either!

S.L.A.M. missons did exist but they aren't what your friend describes with brutal beheadings. It was a psycological warfare method in which we monitored the enemy after unconventional attacks. Those unconventional tactics never involved taking pictures of beheaded officers or at least I've never heard of such a brutal thing. As for his father, i'd be more than happy to run a check with MACVSOG or run it by with the FOG's...they should know him.


So your Father was either a cold blooded James Bond savage -or- you're a bold faced liar!

Just like I brought that Ret. Green Beret and ex-Navy SEAL here to sniff out one of "el guapos" outlandish posts, i'm doing the same for you (don't you feel special?) :)

Link 1 (See posts 22, 53, 57, 103 for the SEALs post) (http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63757&highlight=guapo+seal)

Link 2 with Green Beret (http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63757&highlight=guapo+seal)

Although there's the very slight chance you're telling the truth, I have a feeling you made that story up because it's in your nature to hand out war crimes stories on our own troops. Not to mention it's easier and makes your "10cent novels" flow better than they would with factual information.

So I’ll wait for a reply -or- PM with your fathers service information so I can run it through my friends ATRRS database and pass the info along to other Vietnam Veterans that probably served with your "high-speed, low-drag" Father.

Thanks in Advance! :)

Unjust? Are you f'ing kidding me? Do you know what happened after we left? I personally know people who had family members killed because they were educated and the communists felt threatened by that.

Unjust my ass. If we had won the PR war at home Vietnam would have joined the civilized war decades ago, rather than in just the last couple years.


I don't care what happened there after we left. Awefull? Yes. But not our problem. As has been stated more times than I'd like to count, we are not the world's police force.

-Chris

What unit was your Father in, Olmek?! Let me guess... it's still under CIA safeguard, right?

So your Father was either a cold blooded James Bond savage -or- you're a bold faced liar!

Although there's the very slight chance you're telling the truth, I have a feeling you made that story up because it's in your nature to hand out war crimes stories on our own troops. Not to mention it's easier and makes your "10cent novels" flow better than they would with factual information.

So I’ll wait for a reply -or- PM with your fathers service information so I can run it through my friends ATRRS database and pass the info along to other Vietnam Veterans that probably served with your "high-speed, low-drag" Father.

Thanks in Advance! :)

Man, this is gonna get ugly, but....

Place yer bets! :banana:
I'll give 5 to 3 that OLMEK is passing wind.

Salty already has a +4 advantage, as he just slam dunked right up in OLMEK's grill.
You gonna take that ****, OLMEK? *ding ding ding*.

Unjust? Are you f'ing kidding me? Do you know what happened after we left? I personally know people who had family members killed because they were educated and the communists felt threatened by that.

Unjust my ass. If we had won the PR war at home Vietnam would have joined the civilized war decades ago, rather than in just the last couple years.

I have to agree, the love of my life wouldn't be here if it was for the war, and her family wouldn't either, they were educated and such and were on the list so they evacuted. And if you ask them (A Vietnamese family) they are happy that the U.S. did what they did, saved their lives, and this is not the only vietnamese comment i've heard also, i've heard many others who were happy that we did it. We need to stop thinking about what we think, but what the people who it effects thinks, I mean hell, people living here in the U.S. who were outsted from Iraq were celebrating for what we did, polls in Iraq still show that most are happy that Saddam is gone. Those I my points flame if you want.

Well, that's not all he did. Did you see the Democratic convention? Vietnam was the center piece of Kerry's campaign. His whole credibility for the war on terror, for Iraq, for everything defense, is based on his Vietnam military service. What else has he talked about that qualifies him to lead on defense? Vietnam is his presidential credential as far as he's told us.

Now, he threw away his medals because he said he was ashamed of what was happening there and he thought Vietnam was one big atrocity. Which is fine. But it's no fair now, and I think this is why so many veterans are opposing him, to come up and say "I want to be the president because I served in vietnam, unlike everyone else." He's already told us what he thought of serving in vietnam: it was just a big free-for-all of raping and pillaging. How does participating in that make you qualified to lead? And if that's not what happened...then was he lying earlier?

I have to agree also, Kerry really made himself stupid by starting off his campaign with all this I served crap, don't get me wrong I am very happy for all servicemen and women, but just because you serve doesn't make you almighty!! And like stated If he said the war was crap this and that, and now he's like I served I'm awesome, makes you deffinetly think about his record in Vietnam, is he telling the WHOLE truth, I think he's just knocking himself down with this stuff.

I'm just confused as to how you can trust two men, Bush and Chaney, to lead our armed forces and to start wars when they have never had any taste of combat. It would be like having someone decide how your car will be fixed when they've never even touched a motor. Makes no sence, but Bush has "resolve" or what ever, right? So I guess it does make sence. :rolleyes:

-Chris

I'm just confused as to how you can trust two men, Bush and Chaney, to lead our armed forces and to start wars when they have never had any taste of combat. It would be like having someone decide how your car will be fixed when they've never even touched a motor. Makes no sence, but Bush has "resolve" or what ever, right? So I guess it does make sence. :rolleyes:

-Chris

As I've said, millitary experience means jack shiznit in politics.

"..the two presidents generally regarded as the country's greatest wartime leaders, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt, had no experience in uniform before becoming president.." Linky (sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/08/25/MNGTI8DG0R17.DTL)

As I've said, millitary experience means jack shiznit in politics.

"..the two presidents generally regarded as the country's greatest wartime leaders, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt, had no experience in uniform before becoming president.." Linky (sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/08/25/MNGTI8DG0R17.DTL)


I guess my problem is not how someone with no military background will lead us in a time of war. What I have a problem with is their ease of entering us in to a war. With no idea first hand of what happens in war, Bush just seams all too accepting of throwing our troops in to battle. Notice the two presidents you listed didn't go looking for their wars, as Bush did with Iraq? WWII was going on for some time, while we remained neutral, and FDR didn't enter untill our supply ships were being attacked in Europe and Japan bombed us AT HOME. The civil war was obviously not of Loncolns choice, hence the Conferderacy was considered the "rebel" force.

-Chris

I guess since your "linky" is from the SF Gate, we can't trust it, right? Isn't that what you and Salty are always implying? ;) :p

Business is slow today so i'm going home.

One more **BUMP for Olmek** before I walk out the door. ;)

I guess my problem is not how someone with no military background will lead us in a time of war. What I have a problem with is their ease of entering us in to a war. With no idea first hand of what happens in war, Bush just seams all too accepting of throwing our troops in to battle. Notice the two presidents you listed didn't go looking for their wars, as Bush did with Iraq? WWII was going on for some time, while we remained neutral, and FDR didn't enter untill our supply ships were being attacked in Europe and Japan bombed us AT HOME. The civil war was obviously not of Loncolns choice, hence the Conferderacy was considered the "rebel" force.

-Chris

I guess since your "linky" is from the SF Gate, we can't trust it, right? Isn't that what you and Salty are always implying? ;) :p

Since this SFG article supports my position, it can be trusted. :D

hahah, salty what do you do for a living? Not a painter are you. ;) :p

Since this SFG article supports my position, it can be trusted. :D


Hahaha, at least you admit it! It's okay Oaf, you just suffer the same social psychologial condition that Bush does known as "Confirmation Bias." It a condition that causes you to only aknowledge information and evidence supporting your cause or arguement. It's okay though, as Kerry suffers from "Hindsight Bias" which is a tendancy to aknowledge situations only after they occur, also known as the "know it all effect." And yes these are real social psychological conditions.biasees.

-Chris

<------ nerdy psychology major with an option in industrial psych. :D

I'm hoping that Maker's Mark is the cure...

I'm hoping that Maker's Mark is the cure...

So am I. ;)

-Chris

BUMP :banana:

This thread will not die until one of us is embarassed ;)

One last Bump... He hasn't posted since the last time.

Maybe he's trying contact Dan Rathers on how to make a fake dd214 for his father? ;)

One last Bump... He hasn't posted since the last time.

Maybe he's trying contact Dan Rathers on how to make a fake dd214 for his father? ;)

I lied... one last BUMP for the Gipper

you can debate the president subject all day and still the public will NEVER know

what goes on and what is exactly said when a president and STAFF decide to

engage in war with another country. (even with all the media coverage of today)

Don't forget that this thread was started about the beheadings................lets not stray to far although this is a very good thread.

What unit was your Father in, Olmek?! Let me guess... it's still under CIA safeguard, right?

I have a couple of Vietnam Recon Marines that say you're story sounds way off base:




So much for your "countless" claim...



Here's the CAP program webpage: http://capmarine.com/ Hmmm... no head chopping there either!




So your Father was either a cold blooded James Bond savage -or- you're a bold faced liar!

Just like I brought that Ret. Green Beret and ex-Navy SEAL here to sniff out one of "el guapos" outlandish posts, i'm doing the same for you (don't you feel special?) :)

Link 1 (See posts 22, 53, 57, 103 for the SEALs post) (http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63757&highlight=guapo+seal)

Link 2 with Green Beret (http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63757&highlight=guapo+seal)

Although there's the very slight chance you're telling the truth, I have a feeling you made that story up because it's in your nature to hand out war crimes stories on our own troops. Not to mention it's easier and makes your "10cent novels" flow better than they would with factual information.

So I’ll wait for a reply -or- PM with your fathers service information so I can run it through my friends ATRRS database and pass the info along to other Vietnam Veterans that probably served with your "high-speed, low-drag" Father.

Thanks in Advance! :)

Hi Saltyswine!,

I will speak with him this weekend, and provide you with what you need. :)
The operation(s) were from the other branch, Army.

-OLMEK

Hi Saltyswine!,

I will speak with him this weekend, and provide you with what you need. :)
The operation(s) were from the other branch, Army.

-OLMEK

Outstanding!

I know twice as many people in the Army so it shouldn't be too hard to verify him.

I'd like to think you knew what branch of service your father served in before making such outlandish/solid claims but whatever...

Be sure to get his full name, time in service, date of last held rank, units he served with (to include time periods) , Social Security -or- Service Number and class #'s of every hooah school he's ever attended! Hell, even a dd214 for that matter.

IBstlouisfire.

I've got some possible answers:

"The CIA won't allow me to disclose those records. My Dad was only allowed by law to tell all of his friends and family about the missions, but no one else can find out."

"Have you ever seen Conspiracy Theory? Well these are the guys the movie was based on."

"I didn't mean US army, sorry about the confusion. My dad is an international mercenary commando, kind of like the guys in 'The Substitute'"

Finally, my favorite:

"It's top secret--I could tell you, but then I'd have to admit I was lying"

Be sure to get his full name, time in service, date of last held rank, units he served with (to include time periods) , Social Security -or- Service Number and class #'s of every hooah school he's ever attended! Hell, even a dd214 for that matter.

Seriously, if the claims were true (I'm not saying they are), do you really think a person would divulge this sort of information?

Seriously, if the claims were true (I'm not saying they are), do you really think a person would divulge this sort of information?

Now, I'm not calling my favorite troll a liar, however, his claims are a tad fantastic.
Did actions that OLMEK describe actually happen in VN?
I don't know...but I wouldn't be surprised.
I have met & talked to many VN vets, some were coocks and others were SEALs.
None ever offered stories of such actions.
Here in Auburn, I've met a WW2 Wehrmacht vet that fought on the Eastern Front. After talking to him a few times he sheepishly admitted to killing everything Russian; man or beast.

As Salty has pointed out before, people like to brag, and the duller the person, the bigger the brag.
I can't tell you the number of times I've had people at clubs, picnics, parties, etc, try to impress me with heroic stories of what they did when they were "with the blahblah SEAL team/Special Forces/CIA/Boys-with-no-name."

Look, I was just your ordinary, run of the mill grunt, "cannon-fodder" if you will.
Why try to impress me?
Why try to impress the members of i-club with fantastic stories?

If the Olmek's claims are true, I feel really bad for his pops.

Seriously, if the claims were true (I'm not saying they are), do you really think a person would divulge this sort of information?

YES.

I have nothing to prove but his service. There shouldn't be any reason not to give his service information to me. I have dealt with this a few times and can assure you that nothing else will come of this. I'll handle the information with the utmost confidence (opsec) even though his father is beyond opsec.

If he is telling the truth then I'll apologize, feel sorry for his father and be thankful for his service.

I'm 8 for 8 on nabbing phonies so Olmek better prove that his father is who he thinks he is. I know a LOT of veterans from every surviving war era and they know another handful of veterans, and they know another group of veterans etc etc etc. Maybe Olmek's father is the one telling the lies to Olmek? Regardless, these types of things were unheard of for the most part.

As for the red flags....I just don't see any Vietnam Veteran coming into the open with this type of information as it could be damning to himself and others. Furthermore, I can understand how Olmek could confuse which branch of service his father served in when he new every detail of the operation(s).

I think I found his father, Salty! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/olmektheripper.jpg)

I think I found his father, Salty! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/olmektheripper.jpg)


Hahahaha! Even I've gotta admit that one was pretty funny. subaruguru... nice find.

-Chris

*Looks at watch during day three and wonders how long it takes to get this simple information... also wonders if I can get an email -or- phone number of said father.*

I'm PM'ing you right now, you Salty pale swine skinned human. :)

Oh **** this gets intresting now...

Hey honey glazed, return my PM's!! grrr

-OLMEK

P.S. - I'll deal with the other racist GOP patriots once I'm done here. One swine at a time.

Hey honey glazed, return my PM's!! grrr

-OLMEK

P.S. - I'll deal with the other racist GOP patriots once I'm done here. One swine at a time.

I'm waiting for my turn, lol.

I'll note in the meantime that I haven't seen anyone else talk about your skin color, but I have seen you refer to "pale skinned swine" several times.

My advice: Deal with that crappy writing before you go off on anymore "swine."

I'm waiting for my turn, lol.

I'll note in the meantime that I haven't seen anyone else talk about your skin color, but I have seen you refer to "pale skinned swine" several times.

My advice: Deal with that crappy writing before you go off on anymore "swine."
No need to type any response to a spineless pig. So I'll just provide you with some reading material.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66056

I've never claimed to be perfect, but if you can do better than that, then I salute you and your sewer womb whore of a mother.

-OLMEK

P.S. Saltyhog, please e-mail me so I don't have to keep checking back. kplzthx.

No need to type any response to a spineless pig. So I'll just provide you with some reading material.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66056

I've never claimed to be perfect, but if you can do better than that, then I salute you and your sewer womb whore of a mother.

-OLMEK

P.S. Saltyhog, please e-mail me so I don't have to keep checking back. kplzthx.

HAHAHAHAHAHA, yeah that's EXACTLY the letter I found last night and had a good laugh over. As a law student, that letter is utterly worthless in terms of any sort of grounds it might provide you in ANY legal action. It would hurt your potential to bring almost any imaginable cause of action.

Now, as someone who appreciates good writing, I've done much better than that. And I don't consider myself an artist; indeed, to do better than that doesn't require art. All it requires is A)Mental age of above 14; B) Some mediocre education in the customs of English writing; and C) A reasonably likeable personality.

What you cranked out was like what a retarded little brother to an "Onion" columnist might make to try and be cool like big brother.

P.S.: Thanks for the salute. Did your dad teach you how to salute like Rambo/Chuck Norris/Steven Segal do?

Well what's the verdict...I'm dying to know! :banana:

Well what's the verdict...I'm dying to know! :banana:

Let's just say it's not looking too good for Olmek...

So far he's gone as far to suggest his father will kill me and my wife because of his revealed secrets (spooky). He mentioned these threats in a recent PM...

Here's a quote from the man that wrote the book on frauds:



Just ask. Don’t be afraid to test someone if you think they’re faking, FBI agents say. If they’re legit, they won’t mind if you ask questions, Cottone said.

Highly decorated veterans usually are very modest and rarely draw attention to their accomplishments; impostors love to boast. Sandborn cautioned troops to remember that “true heroism is like a river — the deeper it runs, the quieter it is.”

It sounds like Olmek's father is a figment of his googled imagination. If he wasn't then he wouldn't have a problem emailing me -or- contacting me directly by phone to clear his good name.

I think Olmek googled a few things to make his beheading story seem realistic. Why? Because he's the type of guy that will say anything to make his 10 cent novels flow better in order to make his life seem significant to others.

Thats what I thought...LOL...Keep us posted...

This ish is like crack! LOL :D

Thanks for the PM, saltness. I can get the info you requested, and once I've verified this silly little test of yours, I will begin the de-snouting this board one by one. This subaruguru sow seems to share a lot in common with your cohort, dre.

By the way, you'll have to rethink your distinctions of a threat with reactionary triggers you should be aware of if and when sensitive information other than rank and duties that I provide you are compromised. Your misleading portrayal tactic is fruitless since I am not avoiding any of your questions, which are obviously of no consequence to me. I simply love disproving people like you.

Question: Why do people think that they are so safe online?

-OLMEK

Thanks for the PM, saltness. I can get the info you requested, and once I've verified this silly little test of yours, I will begin the de-snouting this board one by one. This subaruguru sow seems to share a lot in common with your cohort, dre.


This is just to easy a target to pass up. I'm willing to bet money right now that you are absolutely and totally full of **** about your gung ho dad. You've got a lot in common with every cab driver I've ever met: "Yeah, I was in SF until I punched my CO in the face for ordering me execute saddam's wife and I refused to do it...etc".

By the way, you'll have to rethink your distinctions of a threat with reactionary triggers you should be aware of if and when sensitive information other than rank and duties that I provide you are compromised. Your misleading portrayal tactic is fruitless since I am not avoiding any of your questions, which are obviously of no consequence to me. I simply love disproving people like you.

That is such a stupid way of threatening people. First of all, using convoluted and incorrect grammar doesn't let who you are threatening clearly see the threat. Also, your "sensitive information" isn't sensitive, or else you wouldn't have posted it to the entire board. There is no Secrecy requirement in law that allows you to brag about your dad's war crimes online, but forbids you from disclosing who your dad is. If your dad can tell you about these things, he can tell anyone. There's no "wife and kids" exception to secrecy in the US. Now, I think the real reason you are beating your chest like an ape is multifold: It stems from the fact that you are indeed an ape, and also that you are threatened by Salty's inquiries. (I'd try to bluff my way out of being called on such a big lie too, btw, but then again I avoid those kinds of lies in the first place.)

Question: Why do people think that they are so safe online?

-OLMEK

I'm not only safe online from you, I'm safe in private and safe in public and safe anywhere I can imagine going.

hahah, but, please don't call that "no limit soulja rapper" up on your website, because I'd sure be scared of his ninjitsu-tastic special forces combat killer mentality! Oh yeah, and while I'm at it, PLEASE don't tell your dad on me because I don't want to have to defend myself against the entire Delta Force.

How much do you care to wager?

Anyone else want in?

Thanks for the PM, saltness. I can get the info you requested, and once I've verified this silly little test of yours, I will begin the de-snouting this board one by one. This subaruguru sow seems to share a lot in common with your cohort, dre.

By the way, you'll have to rethink your distinctions of a threat with reactionary triggers you should be aware of if and when sensitive information other than rank and duties that I provide you are compromised. Your misleading portrayal tactic is fruitless since I am not avoiding any of your questions, which are obviously of no consequence to me. I simply love disproving people like you.

Question: Why do people think that they are so safe online?

-OLMEK


you drag me into this and i will get you banned.

simple as that dont **** with me. There is no need to mention me in any of your idiotic posts if you feel the need to try and battle 2 500 lbs pissed off gorillas by all means drag me into it, but be very aware of what that entails.

That is such a stupid way of threatening people. First of all, using convoluted and incorrect grammar doesn't let who you are threatening clearly see the threat. Also, your "sensitive information" isn't sensitive, or else you wouldn't have posted it to the entire board. There is no Secrecy requirement in law that allows you to brag about your dad's war crimes online, but forbids you from disclosing who your dad is. If your dad can tell you about these things, he can tell anyone. There's no "wife and kids" exception to secrecy in the US. Now, I think the real reason you are beating your chest like an ape is multifold: It stems from the fact that you are indeed an ape, and also that you are threatened by Salty's inquiries. (I'd try to bluff my way out of being called on such a big lie too, btw, but then again I avoid those kinds of lies in the first place.)

LOL. slam DUNKED! WoooOOt!....

beautiful, guru...

Did i mention that my uncle found the excalibur? No, really! If you don't believe me then i'll have him come KILL you guys with it! Shutup! :D

dear god, no, you idiot. I'm attacking those people because that **** is stupid. C'mon, that stuff is stupid, admit it. Handpainted wooden cows doing wacky things like skiing backwards? Oh no, be careful cow! THATS STUPID. Tiny barns and fake minature white picket fences with tiny 2d chickens behind it? RETARDED. Portrait of ted nugent with a beard - who is supposed to be jesus i guess - holding a bird and giving you a surfer wink? STUPID. Cutesey farmland scenes painted only in pastel watercolor washes with pseudo-inspirational lowbrow poems written underneath it. TERRIBLE. Thomas kinkaid. GAH. These things are stupid funked, and you know it. It doesnt matter if i'm from the coast, which i'm not, stupid things and stupid people transcend our geopolitcal boundries. Now paint an american eagle on the hood of your IROC and mix it with all the aforementioned ameri-gear and maybe throw in a bit of john cougar mellencamp, and *whallah*, i hate you. There is nothing i can say on this thread that does'nt get misinterpreted, and it seems bling was the only one who at least got my point.

ah well....

Man... this is truly the best post I've ever read in this forum.


No joke.

Talk to your Daddy yet?

Any word on the claims here? I've been waiting for the weekend.

Just wondering if this thread is still going to pan out....seems like it ought to, just so we all know what happeend.

Salty, Olmek, anything?

I'm waiting too!

I have all my resources and contacts informed and read to go as well.

*crickets* Olmek? *crickets*

I suddenly feel very unsafe on the internet....Oh crap, maybe olmek is going to BLOW UP THE INTERNET!!!!!!...

I would have expected our retarded wordsmith to have at least posted a few more veiled outlandish threats before dissapearing forever, but hey...could happen i guess.

I couldn't email Olmek like he suggested because he's blocked his email address. Maybe he's too ashamed to show his address too?!

Anyway, I PM'd Olmek with the following:

So have you talked to your daddy yet?

I have all my resources and contacts informed and read to go!

Just waiting on the information you promised, Cupcake! :)

Just posting this here so there's no confusion and so Olmek doesn't alter my words for his benefit.

Tia, Saltyswine :)

Just wanted to throw this little tidbit of information out for Olmek incase he comes back...

Did you know that there are no more secrets of this type from Vietnam? All the books have been open regarding service so to speak. Nothing from that era is still classified. I knew this from the very start but kept this (and many other things) tucked away in my pocket.

I'm appalled that you even thought I took you seriously for one second. Then you have the nerve to threaten me and my wife by suggesting your father will have you kill us? Then you go one step further and suggest I hold my wife tight in the last PM you sent me? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/lol.gif

I have a few Nam' era Green Berets -and- numerous prior service SOF friends I've personally served with patiently waiting for the information you were supposed to give me a couple days ago. They've already dissected the information from your posts & PM's, which lead to a few laughable discoveries on their part... i'm willing to share them with those that are interested.

Still waiting, Cupcake!

-Saltyswine http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/165.gif

Oh please, I gotta know the details.

I gotta know too! :D

I would enjoy some details.

Oh please, I gotta know the details.

Enough! I refuse to have you guys pull my leg any longer for the details! LOL j/k

I'm going to post the interesting/important parts of Olmek's PM and quote emails and saved AIM messages from said SOF personnel.

Here we go...




HIII SALTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello devil,

I'm going over the parent's house tonight to obtain the information you need.

So far from speaking with him on the phone, (I was trying to casually bring this up), was that the orders were given by "Medussa", the operative in command. The unit or project was called "Mack V" or Mach V (?). He pronounced it "Mack Vee". He got kind of quiet, then proceeded to ask me why I was interested in decapitated heads, so I told him that there was an office uproar on the beheadings going on in Iraq.

If he knew any of this was for public view, he would have me kill you and your wife, no doubt.


In this part of the PM Olmek gives me the information his father spewed over the phone and makes his 1st threat toward me and my wife.


Here's response #1 "If he knew any of this was for public view, he would have me kill you and your wife, no doubt." LMFAO

Assclown. Asking to be banned. Or to have all of his future posts deleted by a mod

Response #2 He either made some crap up to make his story believeable (most likely) or his dad filled him with a line of crap.

Face it, if our dads lied our entire lives to us we'd defend it too believing them to be right.

Response #3 First off, the information you requested on his father is NOT privfacy act related; and can be used for a FOIA request to the records center in St Louis. Full name, rank, serial number, and unit assignment. None of which is classified.

IF, and that's a big IF, his father had direct knowledge of a 'classified' atrocity, why is he telling his son? Now the son uses the story to fluff up his stature on a public bulletin board? Bullsh*t. Beheadings my a**! That's just stupid talk.

Response #4
Medusa was either the code name of the vietnam operations conducted by the Jason Bourne character created by Robert Ludlumr or Jason Bourne's code name. Check the Bourne Identity and the Bourne Supremacy. Sounds to me this guy is totaly lost in a fantasy world.

Response #5
"Medusa" was the name of the Vietnam CIA paramilitary operation that David Webb (code named Delta I think, later known as Jason Bourne) was a part of. I find it a little more than a coincidence that this troll is using that particular word shortly after a successful movie based on a spy book series came out.

This is probably just another case of a kid watching too many episodes of JAG. Incidentally, the new Bourne book is terrible. Ludlum didn't write it, as he passed away about 2 years ago.



Yes you read that correctly! Olmek's googled imagination -or- father is actually referring to the Jason Bourne book & movies series! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/lol.gif



Years of operation?
Other 'codes', names, jargon, etc?
Names of other officers? KIA (from what I recall, there was only 1 casualty from his unit, which he had assembled for these missions) Charles "Chucky" _____ I'll get last name tonight.

You tell me what you need. Godspeed, and hold your wife tight.

-OLMEK



Here's the other part of the PM regarding the information he promised but hasn't delivered. It also points out another lame threat in attempt to scare me. :rolleyes:



Reponse#6
For all the reasons that have set your warning bells off I also call BS. Everything that he has used as bona fides can be found in books and off the web. Unit besides MACV or MAAG would be nice.

He may not contact you again. You have gotten too deep into his story and he has had to change it once already.

Response #7 You've got plenty of info already. My guess is that he isn't going to get back to you with anything. His father may be the poser, or he may be making the **** up to back up his position. Either way is immaterial.

So that's the story so far! And just to be sure there's no confusion I forwarded this very same Olmek PM to 5 other moderators!

-Saltyswine. :)

If I found out my dad had lied about something like that, I wouldn't post anymore either. :(

I'm not sure I'd trust anyone who reads that whole post and the soldiers' comments without laughing out loud!

Whatever issues Olmek has with his dad, he got owned on this one. I'm wondering if he'll ever come back now, because I don't see any way at all he can explain this one and save face.

Olmek's been exposed for a fraud, bigtime. Score 1 more or Salty.

yeah, i gotta hand it to salty as well, OWNED!

I'm going to unstick this thread seeing how it has nowhere to go unless Olmek decides to show his face again.

If he does decide to return I'll be sure to re-stick it asap. :D

BUMP

Why did I bump this thread? Because it's the one month anniversary for Olmek! Expect another bump on our 6 month anniversary! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/sierra11b/Emoticons/turd.gif ;)

I think I saw Olmek on a milk carton.

I realize I have nothing to do with this, but thats some of the funnies **** i've ever seen in my life.





P.S. I'm a covert secret operative for Monrovia.

I realize I have nothing to do with this, but thats some of the funnies **** i've ever seen in my life.





P.S. I'm a covert secret operative for Monrovia.

Thank you, sir.

I take great pride in this thread and my ability to spot a fake.

This is the best read ever mang!!! I wish I would have found this earlier. Is there a list I can get on in order for Olmek and his Dad to kill me and my family?

This is the best read ever mang!!! I wish I would have found this earlier. Is there a list I can get on in order for Olmek and his Dad to kill me and my family?

Haha.

You’ll have to wait your turn like everyone else!

Besides, OLMEK hasn't shown his face here since.

I had forgotten about this gem.
So, no news from Hombre Secreto?

I had forgotten about this gem.
So, no news from Hombre Secreto?

Not one word, PM or email from the OT Big Kahuna.

Her last post on I-club was his last response in this thread.

Not one word, PM or email from the OT Big Kahuna.

Her last post on I-club was his last response in this thread.

I was wondering what happened to that idiot. I hated all his posts. They sounded like they came from a 12 year old.


Here's to OLMEK never returning to i-Club!

Bump for post number 100 in this thread.

Bump for post number 100 in this thread.

Sorry, but you missed it by 1.

BTW, please refrain from "soggynoodling" in Teh Political section. ;)

2yr anniversary!