http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040713-111331-1903r.htm

Here's my conspiracy theory: China and Taiwan are playing us to get our latest weaponry... "supposedly" to protect Taiwan from China.

Bad move if you ask me.

nice try...if you grew up with both chinese & taiwanese families, you will realize how much some taiwanese HATE their mainland counterparts. i have some taiwanese friends who will never tolerate being labeled "chinese"...they insist that they are "taiwanese" in nationality.

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what he said

Which is pretty much the whole reason that Bejing is PO'd at us for this, the Taiwanese see themselves as a seperate country just like the Tibetans did, and the US has allowed trade with Taiwan all along, only opening trade with mainland China in the last 10 years.

Mainland is now taking a lot of the work that Taiwan used to get, so the Taiwanese are PO'd at the mainland, the mainland is PO'd at them, yet they are both still taking jobs, money, and weapons from the US.


But to Bejing, Taiwan has "always been part of China" and I expect they are looking forward to taking it back some day, much as they did Tibet.

Well, I understand some of those underlying issues, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

It's not like the U.S. would go to war to stop them from taking it back... China would kick our ass.

Actually I read in the paper that Washington has said that it will help defend Taiwan if invaded by China.

China is trying to find a way to get Taiwan back "under control" within the next couple of years... supposedly through diplomatic channels. They are "sick" of the freedoms allow to Taiwan recently. Elections, relative autonomy, etc.

What a mess...

It's not like the U.S. would go to war to stop them from taking it back... China would kick our ass.

Not according to the PNAC goons, they think the US is ready to take on any country anywhere in the world, but for now they're focused on those that we need for our uh ... "energy policy"

**** it, let the UN defend Taiwan.

wrong forum

I forgot when it was, but China carried out some missile tests by firing missiles into the Pacific Ocean, not too far from Taiwan. China is intent on liberating this Chinese province from Capitalists and Taiwan is steadfast in their resolve to remain independent.

It's true that Washington stated that we will step in if China invades Taiwan; frankly, I'm curious to see what the US will do if China does invade.

*tick, tick, tick,.......*

wrong forum

Indeed, and you should have corrected it. ;)

Indeed, and you should have corrected it. ;)

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Actually we are completely invloved in any thing that starts between Taiwan and China. Any action against Taiwan by the Chinese will be met with full resistance by the US. Oops Ive said to much.

Yeah... too bad Clinton gave them all of our technology.... otherwise they'd be throwing rice-stick noodles at our troops instead of missiles.

Too bad we give them zillions of dollars of our currency in exchange for plastic junk, because they are using that to buy more goodies from the Russians than Slick Willie ever gave away.

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Whoops, duh. PM replied.

Actually we are completely invloved in any thing that starts between Taiwan and China. Any action against Taiwan by the Chinese will be met with full resistance by the US. Oops Ive said to much.

Indeed. The only real good news is that the PRC is incapable of invading the ROC physically. Those of you don't know which is which, you shouldn't be debating in here anyway. :p

Yeah... too bad Clinton gave them all of our technology.... otherwise they'd be throwing rice-stick noodles at our troops instead of missiles.

An amazingly inept and uninformed statement.

Too bad we give them zillions of dollars of our currency in exchange for plastic junk, because they are using that to buy more goodies from the Russians than Slick Willie ever gave away.

BINGO! We capitalists make the PRC (oops, I gave it away...) stronger militarily with every dollar we spend. The beaty of sending money to a command economy that spends all of its hard currency on military hardware.

ROC that would be those few ancient people that still meet even though they're old as dirt.
Just a little bit stubborn you think.

I'm still sticking with my Rice Stick Noodle theory.

Yeah but you should blame Bush 1, Clinton just maintained the course that Gerge Herbert Walker Prescott B. laid down.

Indeed. The only real good news is that the PRC is incapable of invading the ROC physically....

How so? the straights aren't that big, a few air sorties could clear the way for landing parties, they don't need warships, they could just mass their troops on a couple dozen comandeered Cargo ships and they'd be all over that little island in no time.

Sheer numbers would give the PRC an upper hand even with a terrific technological disadvantage and no real Navy.

I just hope for all their sakes, and ours that it doesn't come to that, 'cause everyone would lose.

How so? the straights aren't that big, a few air sorties could clear the way for landing parties, they don't need warships, they could just mass their troops on a couple dozen comandeered Cargo ships and they'd be all over that little island in no time.

Sheer numbers would give the PRC an upper hand even with a terrific technological disadvantage and no real Navy.

I just hope for all their sakes, and ours that it doesn't come to that, 'cause everyone would lose.

PRC views the ROC as a "rebel province" meaning, secessionists. If they had the military ability to physically take back the island, they would have done so long ago.

I'm still sticking with my Rice Stick Noodle theory.

Astoundingly, it is still amazingly inept and uninformed.

I still contend that there are bigger political motivations, like the fact that the US has stated that we would assist in defending ROC.

And the fact that while they might ultimately be victorious, it would certainly be at a very high cost.

Which is one more reason that having US trade underwriting a 10-15%/yr economic boom for the PRC probably isn't in our long term best interest.

In the PRC's eyes, they are justified in taking Taiwan back, even by force. the only thing stopping them is inability. Failure to hold the island would be worse than the status quo.

And you're right about the economics. The PRC is a serious enigma, and until they are no longer Communist, we can't count them as a friend. Just a potential enemy that so far seems content to avoid real conflict.

Don't tell that to Wall Mart shareholders!

Astoundingly, it is still amazingly inept and uninformed.

Ouch.. that really hurts. Stop it.

Don't tell that to Wall Mart shareholders!

They can always move their facilities to some other overseas country for us to enrichen. :p

Ouch.. that really hurts. Stop it.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=211

They can always move their facilities to some other overseas country for us to enrichen. :p


But that will hurt their dividends for at least one or two quarters!

But that will hurt their dividends for at least one or two quarters!

Oh noes!!1!!1!1!! :p

They wont invade until independence is declared, PRC made it clear if it was an attack would be immediate.

How so? the straights aren't that big, a few air sorties could clear the way for landing parties, they don't need warships, they could just mass their troops on a couple dozen comandeered Cargo ships and they'd be all over that little island in no time.

Sheer numbers would give the PRC an upper hand even with a terrific technological disadvantage and no real Navy.

I just hope for all their sakes, and ours that it doesn't come to that, 'cause everyone would lose.

One thing the US still has a surplus of is attack subs. The Chinese have purchased some decent subs but they are still way behind, and have limited surface and air ASW capability. USN SSN's plus diesels from the JMSDF and the RAN (Japan and Australia) could sink everything the Chinese own in short order. I doubt it would ever come to that. China and the USA have too much to gain from working together.