just wondering if an RSX-S can take the WRX from a rollign start, I figure even tho' WRX has the extra 27 horsepower it also weighs the extra 350 lbs.

wrx got more torque too~~

that still doesn't answer my question, basically my question is rolling start from like 40on, with equal drivers, winner = ? I'm think type S by like half a car?

oh and both cars engines are stock

Ask someone you know who has a WRX to go do a second or third gear pull with your RSX-S and you'll see the light. (Clear highway of course)

disclaimer I don't condone street racing but no harm if the conditions are right and safe.

don't know anyone with a WRX and the ppl on the road that I see are usually old ladies who got a WRX as a grocery getter.

Originally posted by RSX-S
don't know anyone with a WRX and the ppl on the road that I see are usually old ladies who got a WRX as a grocery getter.

old ladies that buy WRX's wtf
trust me a wrx will eat a rsx I have done this

seriously man I'm telling u
I saw a WRX like 9 times so far:
1 silver= 18 year old kid
1 silver= 40s+ woman
1 blue = 35s+guy
2 blue = 45s+ woman
1 black = 25+ guy
2 black = 40s+ woman
1 white = 50s+ woman


thx ban for the post, anyways I pretty much assumed the same thing because the hp/tq output far outperforms the extra weight and WRXs are pretty rare in my area, like I see a bunch of RSXs base models and almost no Type S. and same with WRXs I see a bunch of base impreza but hardly any WRX models.

trq would be the factor

wrx easy i think

hmmm...from a rolling start the WRX will loose its AWD advantage....

don't know...

Originally posted by FaLeX
hmmm...from a rolling start the WRX will loose its AWD advantage....

don't know...

the wrx has more power.
from a rolling start the weight will not matter much.

ive beat s2000's from rolling starts so i dont think a RSX-S will
come near the S2000 or wrx...unless you got a chitty driver.
hahaha. :D

i was deciding between the RSX-s and wrx about a year
ago..which to buy. im glad i went with the wrx. with
some mods damn this car performs well and good looks. :p

would the race be held on a straightaway or would it be on a street with turns?

straightaway

i like the rsx with that sports package. :D dont get me wrong,
i have a modded 98 prelude which i like a lot too, im no 'honda hater.' :p stock vs stock, the wrx will most likely loose in the
twisties. the car just doesnt want to turn in stock form.

that performance package is a joke, I'm getting the JDM Type R wing to add to my cars look, the stock wing is almost non-existant.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=598666

my car now :)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid45/p07f4eef3dab7292aff8391e18bd135f3/fcd9a7fa.jpg

RSX-S nice car!!!

any mods?

i got dunlop performance tires cuz stock rubber sucks ass, and I redded out my tailights + debadged it. Today I got my paycheck adn ordered a Type R replica spoiler I don't wta to do any engine mods until I get a dyno / track run and taht isn't happen till like April :(.

To tell you the truith I don't know which would win from a rolling start. The guy who gets on the gas first would most likely win. I ran a friend of mine with an ITR from a rolling start and we were dead even. We are both very competitive Auto-X drivers so we know our skills are comprable.

Dave

yah, the performance package is a joke if you already have
aftermarket coilovers, brakes, wheels, and a body kit, i guess.

id work on the handling characteristics of the car first,
then add body parts, then speed. my prelude is probably
faster than your RSX from a rolling start. hahahaha...well, its
got a cheater bottle so... actually woke up a wrx-er a few
times.

Nice ride Ken Chan

Dave

thanx. :D she's gonna be 6 years old this year... 30k miles
no dings, no dents, factory paint. :p

yeah ludes are nice, more torque, i was actually looking at one, but couldn't find any wiht low mileage, good condition and for the price I wanted to pay for a 3-4 year old car

I smoked a RSX-S with my stock WRX, I walked in second but I think we were even in third. My stock WRX ran a 14.287 et with a slip clutch launch, not a dump clutch at 5500 rpms, and slipping the clutch lessens the AWD advantage by a lot.

um my question was not weather a WRX can smoke a RSX from a stop, its pretty obvious who would win from a stop

Andersonwrx,

I believe the original question included "from a rolling start". Off the line we definately smoke them. From a rolling start it is even enough it comes down to driver and who got to the gas pedal first.

Dave

I absolutely LOVE that RSX-R. It was a tough decision when I got my WRX since I had it narrowed down to the 2 before I made my decision. Honda makes a great product. No question. I had 2 Accords and they were the best built cars I have ever had. And, I'm about to get a CBR954RR.

However, with that said. I have crushed many an RSX-R. Beat them with little or no trouble. Granted, this was all on the street, and I can't vouch for the guy's driving ability, but I have never lost yet.

I would like to try it more often, but it seems that the RSX has become something of a chick car. It's like "Toyota Celica: The Sequel" or "VW Cabriolet II". What's up with that?

there is no RSX-R in US except for a dozen or so imported ones. U rprobably talking about RSX-S

and I agree about RSX base being a chick car because tahts hwo I mostly see in them, but the Type S which is avabile only in stick drives a lot of them away, which amkes it a much more exclusive car. Only see like 1-2 type S for like 20-30 bases.

Originally posted by RSX-S
there is no RSX-R in US except for a dozen or so imported ones. U rprobably talking about RSX-S

and I agree about RSX base being a chick car because tahts hwo I mostly see in them, but the Type S which is avabile only in stick drives a lot of them away, which amkes it a much more exclusive car. Only see like 1-2 type S for like 20-30 bases.

Yup. Sorry my man. I stand corrected. I meant the "S". I always F up that last initial even in face to face conversation. Must be a mental block on my part.

I know this dude who has a super sweet white Type S. I see him every so often at the car club in my area. It is very nice, and I don't even like white cars as a rule. I'd feel like I was driving a refrigerator if I owned a white car.

Anyway. He's done some nice tasteful mods, rims, intake, exhaust etc. A really nice car indeed.

I also like the Civic SI. That thing is nice too. Not to mention that I read an article in Sport Compact Car recently that said the RSX-S engine can be installed into the Civic with no sweat. You just have to get the computer codes from Honda before the car will run. Thats to limit the possibilty of illegally obtained engines being used.

Originally posted by RSX-S
there is no RSX-R in US except for a dozen or so imported ones. U rprobably talking about RSX-S

and I agree about RSX base being a chick car because tahts hwo I mostly see in them, but the Type S which is avabile only in stick drives a lot of them away, which amkes it a much more exclusive car. Only see like 1-2 type S for like 20-30 bases.

If the the RSX is a chick car because you mostly see chicks in them, then the WRX must be a old person's car since I see mostly old people driving them. LMAO

Both are nice cars with different purposes. Wait until we start seeing Evo's on the street.

RSX-S a chick car? yah, you get chicks when a man drives a
RSX-S. :D

i think girls driving MT's is pretty sexy. :p

so with that in mind, i guess i call for old men when i drive my
WRX? yuuuck. hahahaha. :lol:

what I said base = chick car.

S only manual = all lazy fawkers are kept out...


yeah Evo is nice, but i dunno STI is better I think its pretty cheap tho'

28K for a 270s hp car. + it has a ****load of CF parts. Still stock tezas...anyways now that I see what evo looks like i'm definetly sticking with the M3 so far as a car after college

RSX-S
(um my question was not weather a WRX can smoke a RSX-S from a stop, its pretty obvious who would win from a stop)

I said I "walked on it in second" I couldn't tell if I was pulling in third (but I think I was).

So if I am pulling on one in second gear then it follows that from a roll the WRX wins. If your talking about racing some one starting from a 60 mph roll on a highway then I don't know, I am not sure how the cars match up in fourth gear, but from 20 mph or so it's all WRX. I will tell you that my stock WRX beats stock Mustang GT's easily enough, do you think the RSX-S can beat one at all. I don't, but I could be wrong.

what people see:

base = chick car
S = no difference, still a bubblely chick car

you need to buy your own car and make payments and
pay your own mods before you are considered a real
car enthusiast in my books, so good luck to ya in school
and tests and finding a job that will pay for your brand new
M3. :D



Originally posted by RSX-S
what I said base = chick car.

S only manual = all lazy fawkers are kept out...


yeah Evo is nice, but i dunno STI is better I think its pretty cheap tho'

28K for a 270s hp car. + it has a ****load of CF parts. Still stock tezas...anyways now that I see what evo looks like i'm definetly sticking with the M3 so far as a car after college

um I do have a job while I'm in school, I am making 100% of the payments on the car, including insurance. I am paying for all my mods from my own pocket.

I chose the RSX over other cars becaseu I liked the styling, it had enuohg power, had good reliability, was pretty cheap, and unlike the 350Z it had even tho' small, but it had rear seating, so in case I need to move more then 2 ppl Ill still be able to do it even if they are cramped

The hting with most threads is that they always end up on a tangent.
Id say its an even race when rolling but the id say with equal drivers it goes to the WRX owner. the torque will make the dif why because you need the torque to use the HP. torque is a really important number that people ignore but it makes a big dif while rolling. 350 pounds is like 17hp dif so its really not that big of a factor.
I never considered the RSX but it wasnt because im a honda/acura hater i just didn't look that way. I did read in honda tuning that it is alot harder engine to tuen than previous engines. They said that several aftermarket exhausts will actually cause loss of power, but you can make big gains w a good intake.

well for me I think I outgrew the ricer/racer thing, because right now performacne was not very high on my list when I was buying my car, if it was I would haev gone with Z28/WRX but I wanted something to be a good value, to look good, and to take that modified civic with its B16 swap.

You considered a Z28 and picked a RSX-S?

To each his own, man...but I don't know...I think they're styled pretty damned hot...

Not to mention that with just an intake lid and cat-back exhaust you can dyno 326 RWHP / 340 ft-lbs RWTQ. :p

Can you post a picture of this "Type-R" wing? I'm really hesitant with anything labeled "Type-R"...instantly makes me think of stickerboy rice machines with 5" fart cans.

Originally posted by WRXSTIle
The hting with most threads is that they always end up on a tangent.
Id say its an even race when rolling but the id say with equal drivers it goes to the WRX owner. the torque will make the dif why because you need the torque to use the HP. torque is a really important number that people ignore but it makes a big dif while rolling. 350 pounds is like 17hp dif so its really not that big of a factor.
I never considered the RSX but it wasnt because im a honda/acura hater i just didn't look that way. I did read in honda tuning that it is alot harder engine to tuen than previous engines. They said that several aftermarket exhausts will actually cause loss of power, but you can make big gains w a good intake.

A lot of power with an intake? These four banger Honda motors gain about 3 HP with an "intake"...I've seen it in those ricer mags, and I know several people who had their cars dynoed as well. Intake/exhaust is virtually useless on these newer four bangers; they're so tuned from the factory. Forced induction is the only way to go. :)

people dynoed their cars with just an AEM intake and got around 18whp. an exhaust gives u about 2whp.

I got the spoiler yesterday:
http://images.cardomain.com/installs/259000-259999/259105_6_full.jpg

its kiiinda big:( but it goes really well with the car.

Originally posted by RSX-S
people dynoed their cars with just an AEM intake and got around 18whp. an exhaust gives u about 2whp.

I got the spoiler yesterday:
http://images.cardomain.com/installs/259000-259999/259105_6_full.jpg

its kiiinda big:( but it goes really well with the car.


Huh? 18FWHP on what car? There is no way anyone is making an extra 20 FWHP on a Honda four cylinder over stock, unless you're comparing it to a completely clogged stock intake and filter with rats living in the tube.

the RSX is a really detuned machine. So an i/h/e does gain u around 20whp. the hondata ECU chip will give 25 or so more

I recently read one of those ricer magazines and they SPECIFICALLY had an article on the RSX; several companies each did some modding to the RSX in order to make it quicker (I think all models were RSX-S) and every company did HEADERS, HIGH FLOW CAT(S), FREE FLOWING CAT-BACK, INTAKE, and other minimal mods.


They dynoed the cars and at MOST saw 14 WHP, so 20 isn't too far off, though a bit optimistic (considering this wasn't one specific car, but several with different brands).

That's not bad numbers, but even so...most Hondas gain about 10WHP with those mods. :)

yeah next car definelty won't be a honda. Bimmer power/or if I still feel youngish STI

mind if i just call you bastard....j/k

Honda tuning did a review of the new engines and found that they lost hp from the fisrt 3 cat backs they tried. they were to big in diameter. but the fist intake they put on gave them a paek of 20hp and an average of 10hp throughout the powerband. was it a fluke..maybe, but it wasn't the point. my point in posting was just how un-tunable they found thr car to be. no where near as easy to mod as say the b16 series wich actully responds very well to intake, exhaust and headers. i tried explaning this to a guy i know who owns an rsx and he told me i didnt no **** and his 3 plus inch diameter exhaust system added tons of power that he could "feel".

The motor in the rsx type-s is not a detuned motor. it is in fact the same motor in the civic type-r.The integra type-r motor is just a little different. I have never raced an rsx. I have walked on a 3 gen gst and a supercharged stratus r/t from a roll, and killed them from a stop.

Originally posted by RSX-S
people dynoed their cars with just an AEM intake and got around 18whp. an exhaust gives u about 2whp.



maybee if you add up everywhere in the dyno chart where you get 1 hp you MIGHT get 18 from an intake, I wokr at a dyno shop and Ive dynoed a few RSX's , I think the most Ive EVER seen was a 3 hp gain from some kid taking off his airbox and filter and setting a fan right by it, remember when you companys claim HP raitings its never PEAK hp its gained HP from everywhere in the powerband, or even down low, if you have 160whp and you put on an intake claiming 18 whp gains youll probably make 3 whp up top but more like the power band would come on sooner down low, I love proving rice boys wrong when I ask them what they expect to put down as Im straping there cars down, and they say oh Ive done I/H/E and so Im thinking an xtra 50 whp, and its maybe MAYBEE 20

Rolling start race = race for people who can't launch, aka, not a real race.


If you want to race, race from a stand still, and don't do a wussy rolling start.

yes launching an AWD car from a stop is the hardest thing to do

He's got a point. I had never driven an AWD vehicle before, and when I got behind the wheel of a friend's WRX, I just dropped the clutch at about 5000 RPMs and BAM. I went. :)

Now, launching in my LS1 is much, much more difficult...

I am sure both of you guys know this since you seem to know alot...but to the guy who is in love with the RSX-"S".....you do know that the "S" doesnt mean "super faster than an RS-X model. The "s" model has suspension, and body mods, maybe breaks, and I am sure wheels, but no to any engine mods. Might as well buy the cheaper RSX-X model and in that case, you might as well buy a riced out Honda civic Si hatchback. Get wrexed.

um
RSX base = 160 hp
RSX Type S = 200hp
also type s comes with 6 speed, leather standard bose audio

um if thats not engine "mods" u don't know what is...and there are no body mods Type S and base look the same

I think what u mean is the RSX performance package, and yeah that one is a joke

The engine in the RSX-S is the same one used in the current honda integra type r (220hp) in japan. So it has been detuned. The ECU of the rsx is not tuner friendly and honda will not release the information needed to change it. I read about a company who is trying to crack the ECU codes of the RSX, they made some changes just to the codes and got 30hp out of the engine. Then they changed something else and lost 40hp. so its kind of trial and error right now. Hopefully they manage to crack the codes and put out some chips so that the RSX will take to modifications a little better than it does.

220 ps

Originally posted by Mr.Blue
The engine in the RSX-S is the same one used in the current honda integra type r (220hp) in japan. So it has been detuned. The ECU of the rsx is not tuner friendly and honda will not release the information needed to change it. I read about a company who is trying to crack the ECU codes of the RSX, they made some changes just to the codes and got 30hp out of the engine. Then they changed something else and lost 40hp. so its kind of trial and error right now. Hopefully they manage to crack the codes and put out some chips so that the RSX will take to modifications a little better than it does.


the chip is already out

u can get it in 4 type all come with 30hp/21tq net gain and theh stages vary if u want lower vtec point and higher redline
type 1: lower vtec engagment 5200 instead of 5800 and higher redline 8600 instead of 8100 u need to have CAI for this
type 2:lower vtec engagment 5200 instead of 5800
type 3: higher redline 8600 instead of 8100
type 4: no modifications

WRX will win in a straight line and in the twisties. The RSX has 25 less hp when it peaks out, but it's got alot less torque. The WRX is going to putting down alot more power and alot more torque earlier in the powerband. Peak HP numbers dont mean jack, if you look at dyno charts of a WRX agaisnt a RSX, you'll see why in a race the WRX is going to putting alot more power to the ground than the RSX, especially after a shift. RSX is a great car, but the WRX is faster.

I dont know about the twisties.. the WRX hasn't impressed me yet with its slalom and G-force numbers.

WRX no contest