View Full Version : Are these indiglos?: The quest for better lighting...(Long)


Salty
12-30-2003, 11:11 AM
Updated with new working URLs 1/06/04

Here's the pics in my gallery: http://www.i-club.com/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=10361

In my quest for better interior lighting i have tried a handful of different approaches but all failed. Bulb condoms that i purchased from partsexpress were too faint and discolored. Blue bulb condoms were hard to see and the red turned a faint brown/orange when matched with the OEM green film. Traditional LEDs were too hard to solder and far too risky.

So i finally found the best of both worlds that aren't distracting like Indiglos and they look great!

So how did i do it!?

INSTRUCTIONS

1)THE HVAC

let's start off with the HVAC and KEYRING. here the basic instructions on disassembly: http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33292&highlight=HVACuest

MATERIALS NEEDED: 2 to 4 194 (Red) Signal/Marker Focused LED Opaque Lens seen (1st row and 3rd from the left) here: http://autolumination.com/194.htm

*I used opaque bulbs to help spread the light better. the frosted lens of the bulbs works a lot better than the angled and focused ones. trust me i tried both of them!

Once you've opened the Hvac you'll need a pair of needle-nose pliers or some sticky hands to pull the bulb out of the socket. Once you have pulled them out you'll either need 2 to 4 bulbs depending on model. My car (2003 WRX) used 2 bulbs. When you look at the replacement LEDs you'll notice that they're far to big to fit. You'll need to trim the plastic portion on the bulb with a pair of wire cutters in attemp to make them the same size/dimensions as the OEM bulbs. Look at the second picture in my gallery to understand what they need to look like. Once you've trimmed them they should fit nice and snug without problems. Test them both and you're done with the HVAC.


2) THE KEYRING

MATERIALS NEEDED: 1 (buy 2-3 just in case) 74 (Red) LED Instrument Panel Focused LED clear lens. seen (top row 3rd light from the left) here: http://autolumination.com/74.htm

The reason why i didn't put 194 opaque bulbs here is because they won't fit. These bulbs match well seeing how the actual plastic in the keyring is frosted...it acts similar to an opaque bulb. Once again trust me that these bulbs are the best type/size... i tried a few others.

Once you've refered to the instructions above for the Keyring all you'll need to is slide off the ring and twist the socket out! then pull the oem bulb out of the socket with the pliers and replace it with the size 74 LED mentioned above. Then put everything back together in the reverse order! you're now done with the Keyring.

3) Instrument Panel and Blinker lights.

MATERIALS NEEDED: 8 (Once again buy more just in case) 74 (blue) LED Instrument Panel Focused LED clear lens. seen (top row far left light bulb) here: http://autolumination.com/74.htm

First you'll need to adjust the steering column into it's lowest position. Then you'll need to undo the trim section of the panel by unscrewing the 2 top screws. Once you'ce done that simply pull the trim section out and set it aside. Next you need to undo the 3 screws that mount the actual instrument panel and pull the panel out. Be sure not to unplug the three wiring harnesses to the panel because you'll need to test each LED. IF you don't test each LED you install you'll have a huge guessing game on your hands later. There should be enough room for you to peek behind the Instrument cluster so you can actually see the electrical board all the light sockets are pluged into. start with the bulb closest to you and simply twist the socket and pull the light with socket out. Switch the OEM bulb with the 74 (blue) LED and put it back into the socket to test. If it works then move on to the next bulb. If not then you'll need to bend the light +/- filaments so they come in contact with the metal inside the socket until they work.

Im not sure if the Instrument panels for the 4EATand 5MT use a different amount of bulbs so you might want to check before you order. My 4EAT used 1 for the tach, 2 for the speedometer, 1 for the E/F gauge, 1 for the temp gauge, and 1 for each blinker and one for the odometer light. So that equals a total of 8 bulbs needed for the Instrument Panel.

That's everything! Enjoy it!

What will this cost if you buy the bare minimum on bulbs?
a whooping $30.00 plus shipping!

What will it cost if you buy an 3 extra bulbs per type of bulb?
about $50.00 plus shipping!

that sure beats indiglos!

If you have any other questions post them here and i'll be happy to get back to you!

ERIC:banana:

hokusai
12-30-2003, 11:23 AM
Nothing shows up

Slack
12-30-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Sisqocqk
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What a post whore, I wouldn't call indiglos "better lighting", eye candy may be better term, really, I think they provide no function other than to distract at night and cause your eyes to refocus when looking down at the instument panel.

Zoeb2s
12-30-2003, 12:09 PM
he is writing it up right now.
it isn't finished thats why nothing shows up in his post.

u guys are out of the loop, join baic chat haha :p

Salty
12-30-2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by 02BlackWRX
he is writing it up right now.
it isn't finished thats why nothing shows up in his post.

u guys are out of the loop, join baic chat haha :p

jesus! you guys are like blood hounds! wait a minute!

Slack
12-30-2003, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by 02BlackWRX
he is writing it up right now.
it isn't finished thats why nothing shows up in his post.

u guys are out of the loop, join baic chat haha :p

BAIC Chat is teh Sux0rz. Why the hell did Eric post it before it was completed, HURRY UP.... fecking amateurs.

EDIT: It has been an hour and a half since you started the thread, there is no way Im reading something that take 1.5 hrs to write.:monkey:

Salty
12-30-2003, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Slack
BAIC Chat is teh Sux0rz. Why the hell did Eric post it before it was completed, HURRY UP.... fecking amateurs.

EDIT: It has been an hour and a half since you started the thread, there is no way Im reading something that take 1.5 hrs to write.:monkey:

there you go!

Tobey
12-30-2003, 03:10 PM
any luck with changing the radio bulbs over?

did you try red leds in the cluster? i wonder if the brighter, more concentrated, sharper, red light would drown out the green film and make an overall red light?

is the lighting even in the cluster? i remember people doing this before and they had to bend their leds to a certain angle to even out the lighting, and nstall extras etc. this sounds too easy and cheap to be true!


also your gallery isn't showing up (for me anyway), any chance you could set up some direct links? this sounds awesome, i was about to buy a new sti cluster and do everything over in red, this might save me a few bucks.

Salty
12-30-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Tobey
any luck with changing the radio bulbs over?

did you try red leds in the cluster? i wonder if the brighter, more concentrated, sharper, red light would drown out the green film and make an overall red light?

is the lighting even in the cluster? i remember people doing this before and they had to bend their leds to a certain angle to even out the lighting, and nstall extras etc. this sounds too easy and cheap to be true!


also your gallery isn't showing up (for me anyway), any chance you could set up some direct links? this sounds awesome, i was about to buy a new sti cluster and do everything over in red, this might save me a few bucks.

Keep it simple! what you're seeing is ALL direct replacement LEDs. read the ENTIRE first post and it sould answer all your questions.

eric

Salty
12-30-2003, 03:20 PM
here's the Hvac as mentioned above. sorry that it's a but fuzzy

Salty
12-30-2003, 03:22 PM
Here's the view from the rear passanger side. notice the bright keyring with 74 (red) LED.

eric:)

Slack
12-30-2003, 03:24 PM
Looks good, I'll give you $5 to do my HVAC and gauges in amber. How much of a PITA was it? You said in your post that you didn't want to change the LEDs, so what is different about the LEDs that you put in?

Salty
12-30-2003, 03:25 PM
The keyring...

Tobey
12-30-2003, 03:26 PM
oh no i read and completely understand the process and what you are saying, it is very cut and dry.

i am wondering if red led's would do anything in the cluster with the green film there (maybe you tried it?). i tried the red condoms on the stock bulbs before and like you said the effect was a dim, brown looking job. i wonder if better results would be seen with the red led's?

i haven't been inside the radio yet, i am wondering if swapping the lighting in that is a direct swap with led's as well?

Salty
12-30-2003, 03:28 PM
here's the 194 LED bulb before and after i trimmed it to make it fit snug in the HVAC sockets

Salty
12-30-2003, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Slack
Looks good, I'll give you $5 to do my HVAC and gauges in amber. How much of a PITA was it? You said in your post that you didn't want to change the LEDs, so what is different about the LEDs that you put in?


If you get all the Bulbs i mentioned i could do it all in an hour easy! no need to pay me chuck. just be sure to get a couple extra bulbs incase i screw up. ;)

Oh and the difference is these are a direct replacement LED to the OEM bulbs. no soldering needed unlike traditional LEDs. just a bit of trimming on the 2 Hvac bulbs.

eric

Salty
12-30-2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Tobey
oh no i read and completely understand the process and what you are saying, it is very cut and dry.

i am wondering if red led's would do anything in the cluster with the green film there (maybe you tried it?). i tried the red condoms on the stock bulbs before and like you said the effect was a dim, brown looking job. i wonder if better results would be seen with the red led's?

i haven't been inside the radio yet, i am wondering if swapping the lighting in that is a direct swap with led's as well?


yes it's very cut and dry. I also tried red and it didn't turn out as vivid as the blue. the blue was by far the best color i tried. i believe amber may turn out almost orange in the Inst. cluster and green would be like OEM but A LOT brighter.

As for the HVAC... Red, Amber and Green worked best. blue was a bit faint.

As for the Keyring.... ANY COLOR will work because it's clear plastic.

NewShockerGuy
12-31-2003, 01:57 AM
Eric,

I actually have a couple of those LEDS sitting here at my desk... I am a tad disappointed though with the results... Currently my dash and HVAC lights all have red bulb condoms on... it's nice but dim. I tried using the LEDS that I have, and they are also dim... I don't understand why...? I got my leds from superbrightleds.com and two of my leds are different, two of them are a cylinder shape but completly flat on the top side and the other two are normal looking LEDs that are dome shaped...

What if you used white LEDS.. what kind of light output would that give you? Or is it possible to change the green backing on the cluster so that the light shines through is not filtered through the green backing?

I also tried to use the LEDs that I have for the TRIP/Miles... and it came out horrible! It was SOOOOOOOOOOOOO dim I could not read it... anything other than green is not readable...


Another thing, on my gauge cluster there are two different size bulbs... one is a bigger size bulb where as the others are smaller... Is this also true with yours? What if I just bought the bigger OEM bulbs and used it through my entire cluster... it would put out more light and I could just put the bulb condoms on. Would there be any ill side effect to doing this?

Thanks :-)

-Nigel

WRichieX_sti
12-31-2003, 05:01 PM
For the radio...the only thing you can do is change the condoms. Unless you want to solder leds on....but you can't direct replace it. Check out my picture. the red condoms look good in the radio. www.fotki.com/wrichiex so for the dash...i need to get 194? and make it fit?...i'm talking about the`speedo and tach part.

Salty
01-01-2004, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by NewShockerGuy
Eric,

I actually have a couple of those LEDS sitting here at my desk... I am a tad disappointed though with the results... Currently my dash and HVAC lights all have red bulb condoms on... it's nice but dim. I tried using the LEDS that I have, and they are also dim... I don't understand why...? I got my leds from superbrightleds.com and two of my leds are different, two of them are a cylinder shape but completly flat on the top side and the other two are normal looking LEDs that are dome shaped...

What if you used white LEDS.. what kind of light output would that give you? Or is it possible to change the green backing on the cluster so that the light shines through is not filtered through the green backing?

I also tried to use the LEDs that I have for the TRIP/Miles... and it came out horrible! It was SOOOOOOOOOOOOO dim I could not read it... anything other than green is not readable...


Another thing, on my gauge cluster there are two different size bulbs... one is a bigger size bulb where as the others are smaller... Is this also true with yours? What if I just bought the bigger OEM bulbs and used it through my entire cluster... it would put out more light and I could just put the bulb condoms on. Would there be any ill side effect to doing this?

Thanks :-)

-Nigel

weird becase mine came out looking good. It might be based on personal preferance. Other than that my bulb cames ot fine. What could you honestly expect with a OEM green film on the cluster etc!? to be honest these are a x100 times better than bulb condoms and are less bright than traditional Indiglos so i think theyr're peachy and less distracting. im a critical guy too...i guess it ll depends n the person, would you agree?

Eric


Oh and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Salty
01-01-2004, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by WRichieX_sti
For the radio...the only thing you can do is change the condoms. Unless you want to solder leds on....but you can't direct replace it. Check out my picture. the red condoms look good in the radio. www.fotki.com/wrichiex so for the dash...i need to get 194? and make it fit?...i'm talking about the`speedo and tach part.


for the dash aka instument cluster you'll need size 74, not 194! i thought i made this clear in the instructions and materials needed in the first post. You'll need size 194 for the HVAC (the thing with the knobs and adj controls etc).


-Eric


*Sorry if Ididn't make the instructions clear.

WRichieX_sti
01-03-2004, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by Sisqocqk
for the dash aka instument cluster you'll need size 74, not 194! i thought i made this clear in the instructions and materials needed in the first post. You'll need size 194 for the HVAC (the thing with the knobs and adj controls etc).


-Eric


*Sorry if Ididn't make the instructions clear.

I used 74 direct replacement leds from superlumination and it doesn't even shing through. And yes the leds do turn on. Just doesn't shine through the green film behind the gauges. Could it be cuz i used red?

Salty
01-03-2004, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by WRichieX_sti
I used 74 direct replacement leds from superlumination and it doesn't even shing through. And yes the leds do turn on. Just doesn't shine through the green film behind the gauges. Could it be cuz i used red?

YES!

Yes i tried red too. Red in the gauges=sucks...blue or green in the gauges is best.

However, Red and Green work best in the Hvac and keyring. Blue isn't too shaby in the Hvac too.


eric

Salty
01-03-2004, 10:29 PM
A little FYI... the superlumination site seems to be down...

The same distributor/guy owns this site too and has the exact same bulbs. I don't feel light directing a link to each bulb so if you're interested just PM me and i'll tell you exaclty what you'll need.

http://www.autolumination.com/

eric

WRX Rush
01-15-2004, 07:49 PM
Sisqocqk:
I have read your article about interior lighting. . . fantastic. I have a question on how to change the lighting on the:
Clock
Foglight/cruise control button
Door controls (ie windows&locks)
OEM Boost Gauge

Everything in my interior is blue exept those things. Any info is greatly appreciated
Thank you for being the "Guru of Lighting"

WRX Rush

Wingless Wonder
01-15-2004, 09:27 PM
See 'sticky'. The quest for better interior lighting revisited (inst. for Direct Replacement LEDs) (http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44681), thanks.

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