Yay, finally the B4 will make it stateside in '04, its about time. It's in this month's issue of Car and Driver.

Maybe it's gonna be the new generation Legacy.
because Japan is gonna get brand new Legacy around June 2003
It'll be great to see B4 here in US.

The car isnt going to be a true B4 as in the 2.0 litre engine w twin turbos. It is supposed to be the 2.5 litre engine with a single turbo. about 10 less horse power but more tourque. from what i read they also plan to use the the 3.0 litre engine a little later.

Originally posted by go go go
Maybe it's gonna be the new generation Legacy.
because Japan is gonna get brand new Legacy around June 2003
It'll be great to see B4 here in US.

I have that magazine too. The article says it will be the SAME ONE that is hitting Japan this May, only we will get it a year later. So yes it will be all new with a slight face lift it says, the 2.5 engine with a single turbo at 270 HP, 17 inch wheels, etc. They said the old B4 was too slow with low end torgue with the 2.0 and the twin turbos and that is why it is being changed in Japan and then brought here for a 2005 model. So we will see what we get when it arrives in Japan in just 4 months! Yippie!!

woot!

Remember Everyone! The US version is 99.8% not going to be called the "B4", rather will be under a different badge:D This is from a reliable Legacy source! Those who know him, know him as shirokuma But still, uber fast Legacy! woohoo!

/Mark

I think that part of the reason it wont be called the B4 is that it wont have the twin or "Bi" turbos wich is what the "B" in B4 stands for.

Exactly what month Car and Driver is this?!? Is it still on newsstands?

Originally posted by WRXSTIle
I think that part of the reason it wont be called the B4 is that it wont have the twin or "Bi" turbos wich is what the "B" in B4 stands for.
I always thought
B was Boxer and
4 was 4cylinder.

Not all the B4 is twin turbo so I doubt B stands for Bi turbo... but there is really no answer for this..
B4 has 2.0NA, 2.5NA, 3.0NA, and 2.0 twinturbo

mmm Shirokuma... if he says it's not gonna be called B4 then probably it's not....
but I like the name B4 rather than GT or something like that.

Shirokuma, does he post on here at all?

I think he mainly posts on the nasioc forums. It is the January issue of C&D, so it should still be on the stands.

Actually it does mean Boxer 4 but i think the 4 is awd. about 10 mins after I posted I remebered that.

B4 definately sounds better to us but they'll probably call it something like XT like they are doing with the Forester.

Originally posted by subyluvr2212
Exactly what month Car and Driver is this?!? Is it still on newsstands?

January Car and Driver- Yes it is on newstands NOW. It is a small article on page 25. It says:

1) We are getting the same Legacy here in 2004 (2005 model) that is out this May in Japan (2004 model there).
2)It will have larger brakes 3) 17 inch Wheels with Bridgestone Potenzas 4) A minor facelift 5) a 2.5 engine with a single turbo at ~270 HP 6) It will sell for ~$30,000. 7) Same suspension setup, although it will be tuned more stiffly. 8) Two transissions, either a 5 speed manual or a manumatic auto. That's all it says, but if you are like me, you will have to go buy the magazine yourself to be sure it is true. Also, it does not say if it will be out in a wagon also.

Heather

I got a Legacy the same time I got the WRX and while the WRX gets more time from me I have been finding myself more and more inspired by my Legacy. Seeing that add really got me excited. Its about time Subaru started showing its true potentila to more than soccer moms. (no offence mom). Im getting tired of seeing Accords and Maximas everywhere. I think I said it before, but t looks like it may be time to start saving again.

Originally posted by WRXSTIle
Actually it does mean Boxer 4 but i think the 4 is awd

This is right... Since Gran Turismo 3 is a good source of car facts, I can say that this is correct... :D

I did see the magazine, only one left on the stands >:(, I'm glad to see it's official. But don't you all wish it was the EJ20? Just seems more fitting to me... However, the EZ30 turbo rumor? Look out Skyline!!

Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant!!!!

Not sure how I missed that in the Jan C & D issue, but this news officially ends my dithering on whether to get a 2003 WRX. I have a Legacy now, and I'm gonna wait for the next Legacy hot rod.

Cool!

Now......how many WRX owners are going to want to shoehorn that 2.5 turbo into their cars........

Originally posted by The Mirror
I'm gonna wait for the next Legacy hot rod.


Now......how many WRX owners are going to want to shoehorn that 2.5 turbo into their cars........


I hear you on waiting. I think the sti is going to be the main attraction for the impreza owners. Lucky ducks won't have to shoehorn anything.

Ok, so with the release of the STI with a 2.5T, here's my take on all the info I've gathered on what the new Legacy will come close to offer. Note that this model, whatever it will be designated, will be the highest model offered with lower models probably sporting a NA 2.5L/3.0L still with the same tanny options .

1. A bigger facelift than expected, with lights similar to what the STI has as the STI most likely took the lights off the Legacy which was in its redesign.(I think the front will look like the STI with a sleeker scoop)
2. A de-tuned 2.5T making 250-280hp & equivalent torque.
3. B4 suspension or an equal setup
4. Two transmissions, either a 6spd manual or a 5spd Autostick
5. 17" Wheels w/ Bridgestone tires (who can't see that coming?:D)
6. Bigger brakes(Brembo or STI?)

I'll agree with the comment on a price of ~30K, possibly slightly under that as it shouldn't be more than the STI as seen in Japan pricing.

//Mark

time to start saving pennies..

I thought that I would jump in with my 2 cents worth...
To clarify the B4 stands for Boxer 4 cylinder as they have the B6 also in Japan with the 3.0L in normally aspirated trim. The current design has been out in Japan since 98 and is due for redesign. The USDM Legacys are all produced here and the Indiana plant will be retooling late this year and start producing the 05 Legacys early next year for a early MY release (April/May). Although the Baja will see the Turbo model first in the Legacy line up later in the Summer (July). the Legacy Turbo will probably be called an RSK and in 2.5L Turbo form (cost and power). Subaru will offer STi parts through the dealers for these as well.
I work for SOA but I have no real power...

Troy

Troy thanks for the info. A B6 huh sounds awesome. Any more info you get would be great even though this is th I-c;ub there is still pleanty of us interested in other Subarus.

I was talking to my Subaru dealer and he said that they were gonna be calling it the LIBERTY.

Considering Jeep already has a vehicle named the Liberty I doubt Subaru would name their car the same, it wouldn't make any sense to do so, but reguardless of what they call it, I want to know when the Turbo Legacy is going to be actually available for sale in the US!

I just thought that I would throw my 2 cents...
The Liberty is the name of the Legacy in the Australian market and I have to agree with Rotorflyr, the name Liberty is used by Jeep here so we definitely will not have it called a Liberty.
Hope this helps.

Troy

Thanks for the info! keep updating us when u get the info!

The B in B4 means Biturbo and the 4 means AWD. the sources are Car and Driver, the article above the Evo article, and Grand turismo 1,2, and 3 which is a relible source. If you have GT3, when you go to select the B4, it goes along the bottom of the screen. Its the history and specs of the car.

Would subaru come out with two turbo legacy models, the B4(or whatever it is going to be called) and the STI legacy? Would the B4 be by comparision basically like the regular WRX and the STI legacy like the STI WRX.

Max Johnson,
Your source is reliable, but that is what it used to stand for then how would you explain the B6, a normally aspirated model that disrupts the continuity on the BiTurbo history for that model?

I believe that the Turbo Legacy will be a lot like the WRX here was a market test and the Turbo Legacy will probably go the same route. If it is a big success then a US STi Legacy could be almost be guaranteed; however, it will be a year or two later. If not then... I know it will do very well so this is not an option.

Troy

Originally posted by Max Johnson
The B in B4 means Biturbo and the 4 means AWD. the sources are Car and Driver, the article above the Evo article, and Grand turismo 1,2, and 3 which is a relible source. If you have GT3, when you go to select the B4, it goes along the bottom of the screen. Its the history and specs of the car.

There's one major problem there. The B4 is not a Biturbo - It's a TwinTurbo in that there is a small turbo that spools fast for the get up and go, then there is a bigger turbo for the high-end RPM boost. In a BiTurbo setup, both turbos spool at the sametime. So, all those source are misinformed. Hey, it happens.

//Mark

Update : On the other "subaru" board, a LHD - Turbo Legacy, B6 Legacy, and normal 2.5 Legacy dressed in JDM trim have been seen in AK going through cold weather testing. The thoughts are that we'll get a short run of the current body styling with the turbo option along with the Baja going Turbo in May as vehicle's in Cold Weather testing are really close to what we'll get (ala STI WRX). Subaru will then unveil the new redesgined Legacy Turbo come January'ish. The Turbo model and N/A model were designated 2.5GX.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid51/p71c3fb1075476e39399348e3399da509/fca3ae1c.jpg

//Mark

That is totaly hot! could u post a link to the page where that pic was origonally posted?
thanks

The GX is the 2.5L Legacy trim name in the UK www.subaru.co.uk
The 2.0L model is called the GL. The GX name is possible but I wouldn't put money on it...

Troy

Does this mean that Mitsubishi will counter with a Galant VR-4 in the U.S.? I hope so.

Why have a Mitsu when you can have a Subaru:D

//Mark

Originally posted by bone324
Does this mean that Mitsubishi will counter with a Galant VR-4 in the U.S.? I hope so.

They did that once already nobody cared or noticed.

Now for some real excitement someone post the rumor that Porche is going to make a B4 Blitzein Legacy for the US, Now that is what I'd like drive to work.

guys,guys guys, you got it all wrong,I own a RSK B4 Legacy,and they are a different car than the Liberty B4 Legacy that went into Australia. the engines are slightly more powerful in the RSK as to the liberty. the Liberty is 190kws for the manual,and 170kws for the auto (tiptronic).
The RSK is 205kws for the manual,and 190kws for the tiptronic.
the RSK is 280hp and produces 343Nm @ 5000rpm, and 0-100km/h in 6.3 secs.
i believe the B4 stands for boxer 4 cylinder,and there is a slight turbo lag between the 1st small turbo and the 2nd one, but boy, do they go. these cars are slightly quicker than a standard wrx, and oh so smoooottthh in the ride,cornering and just a pleasure to drive. they were made to counteract the wrx and aimed at the older subaru fan,*** family man. they look harmless as ,and i've had some fun at traffic lights,as the drivers in v6,v8's tend to race away from the lights but are amazed when this little "harmless", leaves them behind bigtime,and when i slow down to the limit (dont like speed tickets),they cruise past looking as if to say "what the hell is under that bonnet", type of look.

^Now you just made me want it even more. How much to import an RSK B4 Legacy?

Ted1186,didn't mean to whet your appetite,mate but i've owned several, newcars the last 2 were both maxima's v6,and i wish i'd had of known about,or should i say bothered to find out more about subaru's, as i've never given them any thought before.this is my 1st one and as i say i would of had one much earlier on.the wrx is a nice younger guys car, but the ride etc leaves a little bit to desire,bit harsh riding for me,but these B4's a something else,not a beat all of a car at all,there would be lots of cars out there much faster,(well slightly anyhows,):) but it's the bilstein suspension and quickness apart from the 1 maybe 2 sec lag when you plant the gas,but only slightly. purests will bag it for this reason,but is well and truly off set by the brilliant handling and the RIDE,really smooth.they tend to drink a bit too,but once again i couldn't give a stuff,i like the smile on my dial:D :D
you ask how much to import one,well obviously i'm not in stateside,but this cost me around 37000nz dollars as a already landed import,i bought through a car dealer over here.NZ new they are around $56- 60000nz dollars,alot cheaper than a bmw m3 and it would still be as good as a performer as one of them. in fact a car mag. in nz said they would prefer it over the m3 as it is such a awsome car to drive,and dam good value for your dollar. sorry about the length of my post,and i'm not even a scooby salesman:D you just wait mister you just wait,you wont regret it ever.give me a pm or email when you do take delivery of one,i'd like to hear your thoughts on it.cheers from NZ,Jim

^The pricing sounds comparable to about $30000 USD. Sounds about right. I've seen a few current ones on the internet that have been imported, but they were wrecked versions.

I'm driving a 02WRX and I already called my salesman to put a '05 Turbo Legacy on hold for the end of my lease (I know I know, I'm a salesman, think tax deduction).

My wishes:

1. Fender flares al'la WRX/STi
2. Bigger Fog Lamps "
3. Lower Stance (pink STi springs are a reason to clean under there)
4. Option for 18 inch (or 19 inch for the crazies) BBS's
5. A real short-throw optional stick
6. Leather bucket seats w/ the Audi themed leatherette (which holds as well as fabric in some cases)
7. LegacyGX (or whatever you guys have decided it will be called) stitched on headrests.


Hey Santa, I hope you registered!


-- Lux