Just something to pass along, you know how sometimes when you're driving agressive or just late to work? ( lets not try to act like were all saints out there) well say you're flying and you fly past a undercover cop, but not traffic cop, instead its a detective. Now most detectives have no interest in pulling over a car speeding,...withing reason, but chances are he'll follow you as though is he is doing what?....racing a little, just barely keeping up as to not make you REALLY fly,..so the next thing you know it's time to take that favorite exit ramp for your house or community. At this point the cop realizes even with his "cop" training ( in some cases ) that his Jeep cherokee sport doesnt have the same ability as our WRC derived Subaru's . So as you're exiting the ramp in a full drift into the fast lane of a pubic road , he is entering the ramp. Here is were the trouble starts and we honest , never before been to jail for running from the Police types have a major decision to make. As the cop exits the ramp you are now 1/8 mile down the road and around other cars, in particular other cars fitting your description. To add to this feeling and paint a proper picture, as you glance in your rearview mirror you cant tell if the seemingly agressive driving civilian is flashing his headlights or are those,......red lights in the front grill?....upon further glances at 115 mph, you see RED AND BLUE LIGHTS ALONG WITH THE HEADLIGHTS ALTERNATING !!!!! OH f--k,......As a small amount of "Charlie Brown " sweat comes from your forehead at that instant you have to make a decision. MY house is a half mile away and a small twist section of road, and my garage door remote is brand new with *****in' range,....OOOOORRRRRRRR,........pullover and have this cop ,..A. think that you were running from him,...B. tell the court that he clocked you going into a exit ramp trail-braking at 85 mph,.. C. tell the court that you were driving one of those new cars in the commercial on TV with the kids being reckless,.. D. 5 other regular cops pull up and start beating the sh-t out of you because you ran....

My whole point is not to glorify the action of this, but to pass along the reality that once you in this situation there is no turning back, and it can happen very easlily,its just that most cops pull you over right away and there is no confusion. Its a bad situation to be in,also It's kinda like your girlfriend walking in on you after you had been working out and your all sweaty, and then your ex stops by,....all she sees is you sweaty and another girl there.
GUILTY AS CHARGED !!!

This thing starts out with you just driving spiritedly and could end up with you in jail with 12 points.

As for the story I started telling,..it was a risky situation that could have costed me my job, ( cant have any points),..my ability to instruct at Summit Point,..and possibly my license. Luckily I did the right thing.

944 turbo guy

TEE HEE.... the garage door opened then:)

I should have name this thread, " spirited driving" because it started out that way and ended very differently, I didnt like being in that situation being a responsible father and since I always preach " lead by example" it was the worst feeling once I realized there was no turning back.

My reason for posting this was to help others avoid this whole thing. After talking to several cop friends including my best friend who is state guy, they all agreed to at some point letting someone who is'nt reckless, yet a little over the limit (5-10)
continue to go and if you egg someone on, any of us after a while will try to lose someone for one reason or another.

I have come away from this with a whole different attitude about how I drive on the street.

944 t g

I took my sorrely missed RX-7 Twin turbo to Friday at the Track at summit point about three times. Teh third time, I was chjasing down a C4 Vette and a 240Z ITS car - and gaining - it is on a spectator's video.

I hit the dip at turn 8, lifted (nothing like not enough experience) and spun into the tire wall doing mostly cosmetic damage.

I stopped going becuase I didn't have a roll cage and needed my car to drive to work. I realized that I didn;t ahe to be stupid twice. (A few years back, an experienced driver was killed when he rolled his Mustang). The RX-7 was way too much car to start track work with. I hit 130 on the stright, about 55 through 1. I would hit 102 into 3. 10 I had to start using 4th gear since I was in the upper 90 (could no longer look).

I do not regret the time on the track. It made me a better and safer driver, my tires and brakes also last longer.

One of the things that I learned is that streets are not race tracks. Streets rarely have run-off areas. I ahve yet to see a tire wall on the highway. (Tire walls really work - I never felt the impact). I never,e ver put myself in a position on the road where touching the brakes in a corner will cause me to use up all available traction (i.e. spin).

As for out running cops: radios operate at the speed of light.....

Originally posted by superspd8

As for out running cops: radios operate at the speed of light.....

hehe watch mischief 3000.... the Ruf Turbo R ran faster than radio :D

First of all....as a police officer in the DC area (virginia side, I won't say where), I can't condone street racing. However as an WRX owner and former owner of two 5.0's, I feel your pain. Many times we will follow cars if they are sppeding to get driving behavior...especially at night. Looking for intoxicated drivers of course. You did the correct thing stopping of course. And if You have any doubt about an unmarked cruiser you are permitted to drive to a safe location. As far as your event is concerned, I am curious as to if the officer who stopped You was in uniform, since my department forbids traffic stops in unmarked vehicles if not in uniform displaying your badge. Best of luck in court. By the way, You have the right to request to see the cruiser speedometer calibrations and or radar/lidar depending on what he was using.

interesting...
i was stopped before by an unmarked lumina with the officer NOT in uniform and he had nothing on me (no radar and no pace) and he gave me reckless which was reduced to negligent. He said he didnt even know how fast I was going but I was speeding. This was about 2.5 years ago on 495. Screwed me over as far as insurance went. I went to court with a lawyer and the judge would not even listen to us and believed everything that came out of the officer's mouth :monkey:

Jesus Myles, sounds like a little skiff with the police you had in a 3-speed Mercedes! :)

You're story is done, what's you're email so I can send it to you? Feel free to tell me any concerns so that I may revise it.

capt_crunch at mac.com

My post was stupid and I'm sorry I ever started writting what WAS here.

NOTE: I hate tha po-po.....

Originally posted by Andersonwrx
My post was stupid and I'm sorry I ever started writting what WAS here.

You have to admire his honesty. You get one brownie point.

Tim

It's a known fact that several jurisdictions in the Wash. Metro region have what are known as Non Pursuit Policies. Does anyone know how or when they apply?

I know balt city will not pursue and I think D.C. will not. Everwhere else u are fair game. Dont run from VA state....especially the southern boys. They dont like that. FYI, A crown Vic with a lightbar tops out bout 135....but several agencies have Z28's. which easily top 160. Plus the helicopters will approach 180. The only thing I wont chase is a crotchrocket bike...there is no point to try. Im not going to respond to this thing anymore for fear of giving away all our secrets.

Originally posted by subypd
I know balt city will not pursue and I think D.C. will not. Everwhere else u are fair game. Dont run from VA state....especially the southern boys. They dont like that. FYI, A crown Vic with a lightbar tops out bout 135....but several agencies have Z28's. which easily top 160. Plus the helicopters will approach 180. The only thing I wont chase is a crotchrocket bike...there is no point to try. Im not going to respond to this thing anymore for fear of giving away all our secrets.

I won't race on the streets. running from a cop is a deadly form of racing.

What I want to know is what jurisdictions are out for safety and which are in it for the money. Now, we all know what DC enforcement is like. Nothing like ahveing an aerospace company write tickets for a fee by installing a camera.

I want to have a franachise to give Video Cam tickets to people on the Beltway who change lanes without signaling.

Prince William County also has a no pursuit policy ( for traffic violations ONLY.) Stafford does not have a pursuit policy, which means anything you do makes you a fair game for the chase.

Here are some known Speed Camera locations in the District of Columbia:

1. 200 blk. Michigan Ave. NE
2. 3000 blk. Harewood Rd. NE
3. So. Dakota Ave. between Taylor St. and Randolph St. NE
4. 800 blk. of Florida Ave. NE ( its mounted on a big pole in front of Gallaudet University).
5. Georgia Ave. @ New Hampshire Ave.
6. on occasion, Riggs Rd. @ So. Dakota Ave.

You might be askin yourself, aren't these all very close together?
Why yes, they are!

They are also situated on all of the major commuter routes, so that the people who are affected/fined the most, are also the very same people who can't vote them out! Pretty ingenious, eh?

I believe the last revenue figures for the cameras were somewhere around $8 Million a month. And NO, thats not a misprint. If anything its an underestimate.

paying on of these beauties is very convenient too, i might add. No points. Just a mere $162 for 52 in a 25 mph zone. 52? in a 25? you might ask... yes. it should also be a 45 mile per hour zone, as its 6 lanes wide, with only a few stop lights.

The other side of this story is, if you don't want to pay it; take the day off from work, and go to court. You can easily win. Its simple.
All you have to do, is ask the bailiff to deliver a message to the judge, asking for him/her to have the police officer point you out to court. Its your right as the defendant to face your accuser in the United States. Don't worry, because it will never get this far. The court will throw the entire thing out, because the City doesnt want to lose this huge money making scheme on a judicial technicality. They will do the smart thing and lose the $120-162, on you, the educated traffic court defendant, and still continue to rake in $8-12 million MONTHLY.

Good Luck. I've tried it. It works.

superspd8 "I want to have a franachise to give Video Cam tickets to people on the Beltway who change lanes without signaling."

I'd like to have a piece of that to. I bet that failure to use turn signals and not properly looking to see what's happening behind you before you change lanes is a huge contributor to accidents that are often call "speed related" I would love to see a study done on this as I personally believe that the fail your to signal your intentions and not being aware of your surroundings causes many more accidents then speeding even with excessive speeds like 15 to 25 % more than posted limits.


dcfireman, great info. Thanks.

THIS IS A RANT. READ AT YOUR OWN PERIL.

We have more cops in Fair F*** County than you can shake a stick at and because the REAL crime is low they spend all their time making money for the state with traffic stops and hassling people. When real crime is low the police focus on messing with people for all the penny anti bull that should be ignored. The cops were calling out restaurant patrons in Reston and arbitrarily giving people Breathalyzers over the holidays. Can you imaging having you mother get a drunk in public fine for having 2 martinis with the family over the Christmas holidays while out at a nice restaurant. This is pretty typical behavior for Reston cops who are more interested in asserting their authority and bullying average citizens than public safety, yet public safety is the banner they use to defend their Gestapo tactics. Too much power too small penises. I am from Houston and I have always respected the police but then again there is REAL crime to be pursued there and they don't have time to write tickets for spitting on the side walk. An attorney friend cautioned me about a year ago about an incident that happened a few months prior where Fair Fax cops told a drunk man to come out onto his front porch so they could speak to him and then used is presence out side, even though he was on his own property, to arrest him for drunk in public.
The cops have the power in Reston but they absolutely do not have my respect, in case you couldn't tell.

The oppinions expressed here in are soely those of the author and do not reflect those of I-Club and blah blah blah...

Yeah Anderson, they are a lil out there at times. I used to have a 2001 toyota tacoma lifted 3 inches.. I work in DC. one day i was headed into work. I got pulled over 3 times on my way into work. 2 times in reston 1 in dc for measuring my vechile. Then they proceded to try to give me tickets for being too high. Fact is i was about 10" below max hight in VA. but i used to literaly get pulled over 1 time a week to get measured in reason

Donohue

a sad but average story Donohue, talk about too much time and to little to do. You know their guys actualy have the balls to call me and ASK for my money, as if they havent got to much of it already. When I see 3 to 5 cops on my way to work (about 20 min. driving) the last thing I want do do is give them funds to hire more. "do you think it is important to support your local police and firemen in these difficult times?" theye say. I told the last guy NO and was pretty rude him, but hey thats what you get for trying to telemarket me. I just wish the fire dept. would not lump itself in with the cops on this though because I would most likely help them.

The Fire Dept. will never. I repeat NEVER solicit for any type of "Fundraising" or "Telemarketing" to obtain funds. As far as I know, neither will the PD. The organizations who will solicit you, however, are often the "Associations" or "Brotherhoods", or whoever, etc. etc.

The local Volunteer Fire Departments are notorious for this, even though they are usually appropriately funded to adequate levels established by their municipal governments.

Here is a little inside information on how some of these "fundraising" companies work:

Lets say you are Volunteer Fire Chief A.
You are approached by Fundraising guy B. He offers to raise funds for your local Dept. by telemarketing, and door to door solicitations. Your members do not have to do anything but sit back and watch the $ roll in. You both agree to have F/ guy B try and solicit a $20 donation from each attempt. $15 of this will go to the fundraising company, and $5 to your organization all for letting the fundraising co. use your well respected/established name. all is good right?

No.

If they got to House A, and get $20, you get five, they get fifteen,
as agreed.

However, not everyone is goiung to give $20, so:

If they go to House B, and only get a $10 donation, Fire Chief A
now OWES Fundraising Guy B $5. And, he loses his $5 he might have made from the $20 donation. Remember, a deals a deal.

This is how it works.

So- the moral?

1. Buy an STI.
2. Drive nicely on the public roadways.
3. respect the Law, especially if you have been pulled over.
4. Stay away from fundraiser comapnies.
5. Visit Grandma every Sunday.

O.K. my mistake. I do appreciate being enlightened though so thanks.
"The local Volunteer Fire Dept. is notorious for this" notorious for what? Soliciting fund themselves or having telemarket companies to do it for them?

I could be wrong but I believe the Fire Dept. in Fair fax is considered professional. My ex girlfriend was an EMT so I got to hear quite a bit of information on the subject. But my memory is not very good and could I be mistaken.

You are exactly correct. Fairfax County has a ridiculous number of pigs. (disrespect very much intended)

They are not providing public saftey. They are terrorizing citizens and people who live in Virginia are O.K. with it. The gestapo attitude the cops in this area has really gotten out of hand. They actuly have convinced themselves that we (the "general public") are "civilians" and that they are *not* here to serve us or look out well being/best interests.

It's not like this everywhere... I repeate It's not like this everywhere. We let the local and state government get away with incredible injustices. When I moved from california I was shocked at what we allow to go on in Virginia. We actually engineer speed traps into our highways for cops to levy more taxes on us. (speeding tickets)

In the three years that I've lived here I have NEVER been through a sobriety check point, but several times a year I go through a Tax/Inspection check point. WTF is that? Cop's are you satisfied being overpaid meter maids? Cops in this area are lazy and are looking for easy money. If they truly cared about fighting crime and helping people they wouldnt be cops here. They would go where the REAL crime is.

I do what I can to voice my opinion. Any local or state bill that advocates increased cop spending or cop raises or more cops I vote AGAINST. I also use a RADAR DETECTOR in VIRGINIA and I do NOT have a front license plate as a personal protest. I dont agree with those laws, (and pigs really hate it when I lay down this next line.....) So I have the right and duty as a TAX PAYING American to BREAK THE LAW's I don't agree with.

I feel sorry for the cops in Fairfax County, Is is really their fault the local governments bends them over makes them their *****, and forces them to ho the streets like a 2 dollar whore? Is it their faults that their authority is used to generate revenue by the state meanwhile fostering fear and loathing to us mere "civilians" Well, partialy, If i had a shi++y job i'd quit.

If the state needs more taxes I would gladly pay it
I once heard that Fairfax County pigs have to have a college degree? What a waste of an education.


Change careers, feel good about what your doing.





Originally posted by Andersonwrx


THIS IS A RANT. READ AT YOUR OWN PERIL.

We have more cops in Fair F*** County than you can shake a stick at and because the REAL crime is low they spend all their time making money for the state with traffic stops and hassling people. When real crime is low the police focus on messing with people for all the penny anti bull that should be ignored.

This is pretty typical behavior for Reston cops who are more interested in asserting their authority and bullying average citizens than public safety, yet public safety is the banner they use to defend their Gestapo tactics. Too much power too small penises. I am from Houston and I have always respected the police but then again there is REAL crime to be pursued there and they don't have time to write tickets for spitting on the side walk. An attorney friend cautioned me about a year ago about an incident that happened a few months prior where Fair Fax cops told a drunk man to come out onto his front porch so they could speak to him and then used is presence out side, even though he was on his own property, to arrest him for drunk in public.
The cops have the power in Reston but they absolutely do not have my respect, in case you couldn't tell.

The oppinions expressed here in are soely those of the author and do not reflect those of I-Club and blah blah blah...

There is no crime in fairfax county huh? Im guessing you hace never checked out the county website and looked at the crime statistics. Its simple to do. You dont here about crime because our Public Information Office doesnt post it to media. By the way, Fairfax county is home to more than 1 million people and we have less than 1200 officers. Only about 900 of those work the street maybe. That is way below the national average of PD to the citizens they protect. By the way, more felons and wanted people are caught on simple traffic stops than any other way. I'm guessing the complainers are from reston area and have never been to culmore or beacon hill. Why dont all you naysayers out there do a ride along with your local department to see what they deal with on a day to day basis. I thought this site was to talk about all of our common interests, the love of cars. I didnt know it was cop bashing time.

subypd, nada against ya bro, my brother is a dupty-sherif in CO. I respect no one more then i respect cops. Just getting pulled over for silly reasons they having the cop make up reason to continue searching you car is BS. I think the good cops are AWESOME, while the bad cops are the other side. it's normal in all work places.

Donohue

I suspect this is the work of nothing more than a troll.

Originally posted by subypd
There is no crime in fairfax county huh? Im guessing you hace never checked out the county website and looked at the crime statistics. Its simple to do. You dont here about crime because our Public Information Office doesnt post it to media. By the way, Fairfax county is home to more than 1 million people and we have less than 1200 officers. Only about 900 of those work the street maybe. That is way below the national average of PD to the citizens they protect. By the way, more felons and wanted people are caught on simple traffic stops than any other way. I'm guessing the complainers are from reston area and have never been to culmore or beacon hill. Why dont all you naysayers out there do a ride along with your local department to see what they deal with on a day to day basis. I thought this site was to talk about all of our common interests, the love of cars. I didnt know it was cop bashing time.

I think your right, subypd has posted trollish things before.


Originally posted by plunk10
I suspect this is the work of nothing more than a troll.

subypd, I nevers said there was NO crime, but what we need to fight real crime is a larger better staffed DETECTIVE force who will pursue crimes that have been committed, not a bunch of county lackey's out hassling motorist's for the purpose of gaining revenue. It's also about the way these cops go about it that makes them so bad, I cited some of the B.S. that goes on, in my earlier postings. And YES I do live in Reston. Maybe the county should do a better job placing officers in areas where they are needed if Reston is so low on crime, and we do have real crime in Reston by the way, put more cops in culmore and beacon hill if they need them and get them off my as*. Northern VA. is a police state. If you don't know this then it is because you MIGHT be part of the problem and because you are on the opposite side of the fence. I realize many felons are caught during routine traffic stops but the thing about routine traffic stops that makes them a problem is that they ARE routine. Cops pull people over for any excuse and some times no excuse, for no other reason than to check I.D.s or to get them to let them search their car's, and see if they can catch some one doing something worth arresting them for. This practice is tantamount to being stopped by the Gestapo and being told to give them your papers. Police don't and shouldn't stop people on the side walk to look at there I.D.'s and see if they are wanted so why is it O.K. to do this just because some cop doesn't like the way they look, the car they are are driving or the way they are driving (assuming they are not driving in an illegal manner, and I am not talking about 3 miles over the limit or getting a little close to the line either). People think they are willing to give up some of there rights to be safe, I think they over look the fact that giving up your rights does not make anyone safer, it only makes us less free. When and what made anyone think they were safe? We never have been and never will, so why should I not be angry at cops who just want to give me a hard time because I drive a hot rod. I don't have to be a criminal to be a little scared by the fact that I experience and overwhelming authoritative presence every time I leave my house. We all know cops can do whatever they want and WILL do what ever they want. You can't trust them any more than any one else and they are armed with weapons, power, and unquestioning oversight. The Commonwealth of this screwed up state allows all sorts of infringements of our rights by the police in the name of safety, because if it wasn’t for safety sake no one would put up with it. The sad thing is we buy into it hook line and sinker. I am from Texas and we folks down there are pretty darn conservative and we let our cops get away with murder literally. What we don’t do is accept them Fu*king with us for no reason, and in VA. we do. That is conservatism without balls and it is a sad and pathetic statement about the people in Northern VA. My boss can drve around ten miles over the speed limmit without ever using her turn signal from dusk till dawn and never get stopped. Thats because: she look like a perfesional, she looks old, and she drives a nice big 4-door buick. If it was about enforcing the law she would get tickets. What it's about is being a jerk to people you decide to pick on. So lets dorp the safety argument crap. Cops in general (in Fair Fax at least) are thugs who target specific people in order to make themselves feel good. Of course I know their are good cops out there, There have to be, but I don't know any.

There are three kinds of lies.

1.) Lies
2.) Damned Lies
3.) and Statistics

Based on my experiences living in Fairfax county for 3.5 years and San Bernardino County for most of my life, I can tell you I feel a lot safer (crime-wise) here. I use the ATM machine without looking over my shoulder. There isn't a few murders and rapes on the news everyday here. I don't have the ghetto bird (translation == police helicopter) over my house EVERY night like I did in California.

Is it safe here because the cops are doing a great job? Hell no. Fairfax county does not have poverty, and almost none of the crime associated with poverty. It all boils down to money. Your ratio of Cops per capita is soooo bogus and does not apply to Fairfax county. Its ludicrous analogies like that that scare the blue hairs in this state to pass bills that increase cop spending.

What does increased cop spending buy Nova? It buys more unskilled-labor to hide in driveways of 4 laned 25mph mile roads in commercial areas that should be 35mph and give out speeding tickets. (Trinity Parkway, Centreville VA)

It buys unskilled-labor time to go to the parking lots of fairfax county schools and put tickets on teachers cars for no front license plate.

If you think Fairfax county has a crime problem that can only be solved by more cops you are truly delusional.



Originally posted by subypd
There is no crime in fairfax county huh? Im guessing you hace never checked out the county website and looked at the crime statistics. Its simple to do. You dont here about crime because our Public Information Office doesnt post it to media. By the way, Fairfax county is home to more than 1 million people and we have less than 1200 officers. Only about 900 of those work the street maybe. That is way below the national average of PD to the citizens they protect. By the way, more felons and wanted people are caught on simple traffic stops than any other way. I'm guessing the complainers are from reston area and have never been to culmore or beacon hill. Why dont all you naysayers out there do a ride along with your local department to see what they deal with on a day to day basis. I thought this site was to talk about all of our common interests, the love of cars. I didnt know it was cop bashing time.

Hook line and sinker. 2 large catches for the troll so far! :D

plunk10 Hook line and sinker. 2 large catches for the troll so far


I'm hapy to respond, if I wasn't having fun I wouldn't do this. and I think subyPD (P.D.) is serious not trolling.

Good point. These message boards are fun :)

I'm hoping another cop will post more secrets on the board, so we can be a step ahead in understanding their hidden techniques.