^ simple as that....i cant belive they are suing kazaa users..THIS IS TOTAL BS...im 14 i dont have $ to buy cds all the time....i am pissed

Well, half the reason they're suing is because people already are boycotting cd's!
Kazaa is great, and yeah we all do it, but IT IS STEALING - plain and simple!

Don't get me wrong, I think the RIAA is a bunch of money-grubbing, manipulative a-holes. But punishing the artists by denying them the little money (relatively) they get from cd sales isn't the answer.

Im not gonna buy a CD unless I absolutly have to, and it will be through the asian black market:-D

Can't beat $2 cd's that are original quality. HAHAH.

Asian Black Market? While your at it buy a kid on the black market as well. Do people not understand the logistics of an economy? You need to buy stuff to give people jobs. If you live in this country and think you can get sh*t for free all the time, you are part of the problem. Pay retail, pay the tax, and F**KN' be happy that you live in a country that gives you the right to be whatever you want. All of you who feel like you are getting screwed buy the MAN! should just pick up your sh*t and leave.:mad:

I don't live in the USA.

My apologies Brucelee. :eek:

i dont think its fair that these artist have Fkin millions and millions of $ and are *****ing cuz NORMAL people cant afford to buy all their cds...if they bring the prices down enough so that i can but plenty of cds and still not be broke then ill start buying cds again

Is it fair that La Bron James gets 120 mil. a year without even playing a game in the NBA while a nobel prize winner gets a mil. for a life time of work. Is it fair that P-Diddy can throw a 600K party while a teacher makes 40K a year. It's all perspective my man. One % of the population in the US controlls over 90% of the wealth. I ask again what's fair? No it's totally outa' controll that a entertainer can make all that money then cry over the internet whoreing of his music, but on the other hand it's their music. They make it, they own it, they have the right sell it however they want. Example: Greatfull Dead: the band openly invited concert goers to record the concerts, even set up a special area at many places for it. That was their decision to share the love. If others don't choose to share, that is their perogative, and we are forced to pay for the tunes. Oh well!

I know perfectly well that I'm stealing when I download music. I don't plan on stopping, though, until the RIAA makes it so its not worth my effort, or the CD retailers stop their price fixing.

i stopped dloading cuz they are suing us...ill just listen to the raido...and maybe get an mp3 player that lets me record music.

wvjnky is absolutely right! Fair is all relative...

Many things, no, MOST things in life are way way overpriced. Movie tix, Starbucks, printer ink cartridges, cars.....

But just because it is unfairly priced doesn't mean we have the right to just steal it instead. Music theft just happened to hit it big because it's so easy and comfortable to do.

And realize it is the RIAA suing, not the artists. Most artists support working out a new system, where they can have more control of their own music (to allow for downloading,...). In fact, they are suing the RIAA as this is happening! But the RIAA is not hearing it. They are only about the profits, and legally speaking, they have every right to sue you.

oh, and the artists with millions of dollars in mansions that you see on MTV and VH1 are actually a very small percentage of ALL the musicians out there struggling to make a living.

like me.....

Word!

Here's the independent musician who still makes music for the sake of the music.

"Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." --Frank Zappa

well think about it...i have 50 artists that i listen to at least...if i want all their cds thats over 700$...id gladly pay for music and i support local bands but this is out of control

That is very true, AWNS. CD's are disgustingly overpriced. They have not gone down in price since they came out in the late 80's.
Back then it was new technology, and that's expensive. But now it is relatively low-tech and easy (=cheap) but the prices haven't come down!

All that adds up to humungous profits for the RIAA, hence these lawsuits. So why not adjust cd prices to a lower, yet still profitable margin? Say, $6?

GREED. It sucks, man. As it is now, it's stealing. What's needed are new laws and fairer prices. But all we'll get is lawsuits, cuz that's how our greedy world works.

if i could affort say...10+ cds every few months and still nto be broke i would GLADLY support music artists....i agree with ur post jamester

i dont buy cds, havent for about 2 years, and i wont again unless i absolutly have to (hopefully never, but you should never say never).

here's what I don't get -

Isn't it COOL to own the product of the band/artist you like????

To me, a song is an expression from a group of people I happen to like. As a fan, I WANT to have the cd, the artwork, the lyrics, whatever. To me it is a package.

But our consumerist society has turned songs into just another product, to be mass marketed and mass consumed quickly, one after the other. Often used to sell other things, like a movie, or clothing, etc...

I don't buy a lot of cd's either, cuz I am a broke musician. But I ALWAYS buy the cd's of my faves, cuz I want the whole package.
Does this make any sense?
It's like society's become jaded to songs, and all they are to many people are just mp3 files on a hard drive. Like, "No big deal, and I ain't payin' for it...." What happened?

sorry to keep ranting! =)

yeah i do that too sometiems

I cant afford to buy all the music I want so I am going to dl music when I get a better connection. However I do support the bands by frequenting concerts. If you wondering why I dont toss the money from concerts to cd's thats because a good punk concert is not only more fun but cheap. I can go to a concert every few weeks (HA, like that many good concerts come to portland) and still have $ left over. CD's left me broke in the past.

I believe music prices are beginning to drop now.
Check out Best Buy or Future Shop. Some of their CD prices are beginning to drop.

Something about Universal dropping prices on all their CDs?

i heard their only suing those who share files on kazaa and not those who do not share files is that true ?

i think so...if you dont share files...id say you're a bit safer...i just got the seether cd for 9 bucks...at target...my favorite band....if cds start getting a little cheaper ill keep buying them...seether rocksss

Didnt buy a CD in 2 years untill I got the I-tunes music store. Its awesome!

IMO cd's are outrageously priced. It it was more reasonable maybe more people wouldn't pirate them.

Originally posted by bao ling
IMO cd's are outrageously priced. It it was more reasonable maybe more people wouldn't pirate them.

Agreed x 100

hmm

buy a new CD for $20

buy a new DVD for $15

my money goes for the DVD, Ill download till the RIAA finaly realizes there needs to be a "Pay Per Download" model for the industry.

Untill they get their head out of their ass, P2P is my best friend.

buy a new CD for $20
CD's are overpriced for sure, but where are you shopping????

$20?

IT IS SHARING I AM ONLY SHARING MY MUSIC WITH ALL 700 MILLION OF MY FRENDS!!!! U NEVER MADE A TAPE FOR A FREND OF THE CD I JUST BOUGHT??? NOW IF U MAKE THE CD AND THEN SELL IT THAT IS STEALING. I AM SO MAD ABOUT THEM SHUTING DOWN ALL THESE SITES. BUT LOOK AT IT THIS WAY U CAN NEVER CONTROL THE INTERNET U SHUT ONE SITE DOWN ANOTHER ONE WILL COME IN ITS PLACE!!!! SO TAKE THAT U DAM RICH ASS MUSIC COMPANIES:monkey:

wrxstiman - first, stop yelling.

Second, you are confusing legality with common practice. Once you copy your cd and "share" it with your friend, you broke the law. Copying is for personal use only. It is stealing whether you give it away or sell it, although it is technically worse if you sell it, because it is two crimes: stealing, and profiting off of something that isn't yours.

I understand that most P2P is used for illegal practices and its wrong to download copyright material, but its not theft. The RIAA wants you to think that. Is it illegal, well its copyright theft, but its not theft.

If I steal your car, you dont have your car any more. If I download a MP3 from someone, the original is still there.

Im splitting hairs here, but using the word "theft" is not right when you deal with intilictual property rights

True, but if you are robbing an artist of potential profit from a cd sale, then I would call it theft. You're not stealing the song, but the money to be made from the selling of the song.

I guess it depends on how you define what "stealing" is. And I guess maybe this is also an issue that needs to get worked out legally.

At the very least, it's a copyright infraction...

Originally posted by jamester
True, but if you are robbing an artist of potential profit from a cd sale, then I would call it theft. You're not stealing the song, but the money to be made from the selling of the song.

I guess it depends on how you define what "stealing" is. And I guess maybe this is also an issue that needs to get worked out legally.

At the very least, it's a copyright infraction...

just becuase someone does not recieve money for something, you cannot call it theft.

if you dont have it, you have no right to it. The song is still there, just been copied. Although the artist could argue they lost money ( or more then likely the record lable ) I doubt they really did due to the fact that the person that downloaded the MP3 would prolly not have paid for it anywyaz

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