We should also post this thread with dealers willing to sell at MSRP or below. Here is my first one and I'm on their list after talking directly with Pete Mastro:

Mastro Subaru (Tampa, FL)

Gwinnet Subaru in Atlanta . MSRP $1000 refundable deposit. Small list. Ask for Brad Miller and tell him Dan sent you.

Prestiege Imports
2800 Corby Ave
Santa Rosa, CA 95407
(707) 545-6602

They sell all their automobiles for MSRP or less. The bummer is that they believe that they have presold all of this year's allocation. That's ok though, at least for me, I get the first one.
:D

Troncalli Subaru in Cumming, Ga.. they are not asking a dime over MSRP..

call and ask to speak to either Ron (don't know last name) or Don Voyles.

Van Bortel Subaru, Victor NY

Invoice + $400 (approx $29k)..........ask for Pete Rosser.


BIG waiting list by the way.............

Van Bortel Subaru, just as previously mentioned in the post.

My buddy is getting his thru Shaun Pies,

I'm getting mine thru a female saleslady, Patrice

I kinda had an issue dealing with "women" as car salespeople...but hey, if I get a good deal who cares?

Forget Stamford Subaru - They went out of Business!

Bertera Subaru
Springfield MA

I spoke with Tim Garner, I'm suppose to get it at MSRP!! Still they haven't told me too much since I'm 3rd on their list.

Dellenbach in Ft. Collins Colorado has assured me on many occasions that mine will be at MSRP. Im third on the list and there are three more positons available. If anyone wants there number just PM me and ill be happy to give it.

We will be selling the STi at sticker also. Maine Mall Subaru in South Portland, Maine. We currently have 2 deposits and should be allocated 1-2 units per month. (207) 774-1429, ask for Dan at ext. 2555.

We will also sell WRX's at agressive prices and currently have a good selection of '04 WRX's, several with the premium package if anyone is interested.

Ask for Chris. Tell him Rudy sent you.

MSRP W/2K Deposit

Milea Subaru
3201 E Tremont Ave
Bronx, NY 10461
718-829-8200

Wappingers Falls Subaru is selling for MSRP

Wappingers Falls,NY 12590

Waipahu Subaru, HI

MSRP

Speak to Jeff or Chris (GM)

They supposedly have 6 STi's for next month (well, 5 if you take mine out)...

Manassass Dodge Subaru, Manassass, VA

Patrick Pendergrast is your man. (MSRP) $500 Fully refundable

Originally posted by Ditchhanger
Waipahu Subaru, HI

MSRP

Speak to Jeff or Chris (GM)

They supposedly have 6 STi's for next month (well, 5 if you take mine out)...


I just saw a silver 2004 STI yesterday going to west loch! i couldn't believed it! i thought it was coming june! but i saw it with my own two eyes! the trade mark spoiler! the pink "STI! It was truly a beauty!

Originally posted by Ditchhanger
Waipahu Subaru, HI

MSRP

Speak to Jeff or Chris (GM)

They supposedly have 6 STi's for next month (well, 5 if you take mine out)...


Ditchhanger - I certainly don't doubt your information, but it seems most dealers are getting 1-2 STis per month no matter how big or small they are. If you have an order, depending on what number you are on the list, you should add 1 month for every person on the list.

So cars will arrive in June....and you are number 3, you should see a car in August I guess. I could be wrong, but here is what I have heard:

4,000 cars this year
600 dealerships
~7 cars/year per dealership

So I would find it hard to believe that someone will get 6 next month. But I will call and speak to the dealer you mention.

Dan

Question!!!

Anybody hear from anybody in Cali yet? I'm sure since this state has one of the most popular followings of SC cars and imports, it'll be a rarity finding a dealer that doesn't mark-up.

Of course it'll be great if there was one.

Tim

I have spoken with a few dealers in the bay area and it does not look good for purchasing at msrp.

Livermore Subaru
$1,500.00 over msrp

Diablo Subaru
$3,000.00 - $4,000.00 over msrp

Ron Price Subaru
$3,500.00 over msrp

Bianco Subaru
does not know how much over msrp yet...

Marin Subaru
does not know how much over msrp yet...

If anyone else has info on cali dealers it would be greatly appreciated.

Gold Rush Subaru in Auburn California (about 25 mins out of Sacramento)

$2,000 over MSRP, deposit-less waiting list.

Production is 500 a month & hand built so they can not really increase production because they can not add people to build them. Most will go for over sticker just like every other hot car!
to be the first will cost you

Carlsen Subaru has over 100 people on the wait list. They have not established how much over MSRP they will be charging. I understand that they may be getting up to 10 cars initially since they are a large volume dealership.

Originally posted by panterrage
Carlsen Subaru has over 100 people on the wait list. They have not established how much over MSRP they will be charging. I understand that they may be getting up to 10 cars initially since they are a large volume dealership.

I'm technically #53. I was thinking of removing my name, but have been either too busy or too lazy.

I think that at the number I am at, I should be able to finally have one next year anyways! LOL :D

Tim

Gilman Subaru in Southwest houston.

MSRP, $500 refundable deposit.

I just saw another STI the other day! this time it was a black one! it is so sweet! it was heading toward ewa! i had saw two sti already both in ewa! im gettin my soon! i hope it wont run out cuz im planning to get it in june! anyone know how much sti will they have in june?

Originally posted by Overboosted STi
Van Bortel Subaru, just as previously mentioned in the post.

My buddy is getting his thru Shaun Pies,

I'm getting mine thru a female saleslady, Patrice

I kinda had an issue dealing with "women" as car salespeople...but hey, if I get a good deal who cares?

I bought my first Subaru from Van Bortal and they were great! You know, a woman does OWN the dealership too :P Anyway, I found Patrice to be very friendly, and she knows her stuff... If I hadn't moved to CA I would have definately bought there again!

- Dan

:cool:

Travis Chrysler-plymouth-Subaru
Norman, Oklahoma

MSRP on paper, 500 deposit

Originally posted by Overboosted STi
Van Bortel Subaru, just as previously mentioned in the post.

My buddy is getting his thru Shaun Pies,

I'm getting mine thru a female saleslady, Patrice

I kinda had an issue dealing with "women" as car salespeople...but hey, if I get a good deal who cares?

Whats wrong with female sales people?
No flame...just wondering.

- Janq

Originally posted by Dtech
We should also post this thread with dealers willing to sell at MSRP or below. Here is my first one and I'm on their list after talking directly with Pete Mastro:

Mastro Subaru (Tampa, FL)

Larry from Mastro just called me. They are threatening to charge over MSRP if you don't put your deposit down ASAP. The quantities they are getting are less than they thought, or so they claim. I think he is trying to bully me into putting a deposit down. Personally, I need to sit in and at least see the car if I can't at least test drive it. 33K is alot of cash.

04STi,

Deposits in my area (DC/MD/VA) vary from $500 to $2,500 against MSRP and most are refundable. I put down $500 bucks against a guaranteed MSRP rate and its refundable for any reason. The only down side is that the dealer is making interest against money that I would have but its a small amount of money to have out there loose. PM me if you would like the names of the dealer in my area with low deposit rates. FL isn't that far a drive from VA.

I'd suggest negotiating as low a deposit as possible against a guanranteed MSRP rate should you decide to buy.
Keep in mind though that not only is this car special and allocate din limited numbers but according to the Automobile mag. article its production is limited to only 3,600 units.

Its a sellers market for the STi...get what you can take without losing your shirt. There is no way I would pay above MSRP on this vehicle.

Just my $.02, I hope it helps.

- Janq

Thanks for the advice. I know it's a sellars market, but I have alot on my plate financialy. I'm trying to propose to my girl and I'm crushing not pinching but crushing every penny that I have to get that ring. I still owe 6K on my Prelude and am trying to sell it or trade. If I trade it in, I think the I may get hosed by Subaru. I just graduated from GT so I'm paying off some student loans too. It is an awesome car though. I see so many people talking about the EVO, but I trust Mitsu cars just about as far as I can throw them. The EVO in many aspects is a turbo eclipse that has been reinforced so the block doesn't blow up as often.

Originally posted by 04STi
Thanks for the advice. I know it's a sellars market, but I have alot on my plate financialy. I'm trying to propose to my girl and I'm crushing not pinching but crushing every penny that I have to get that ring. I still owe 6K on my Prelude and am trying to sell it or trade. If I trade it in, I think the I may get hosed by Subaru. I just graduated from GT so I'm paying off some student loans too. It is an awesome car though. I see so many people talking about the EVO, but I trust Mitsu cars just about as far as I can throw them. The EVO in many aspects is a turbo eclipse that has been reinforced so the block doesn't blow up as often.

Not that its any of my business...but its an easy call, forget the STi.

An awesome car comes along once or twice every moel year.
In 2004 it'll be the Supra and new Mustang.
In 2005 we'll hopefully see the Legancy STi.
In 2006 the Chrysler 300C and new Vette hits the streets.

But finding a good woman to spend and enjoy your life with, that happens much less often.

Some of us are never lucky enough to find that special person while others get furstrated or tired of searching and settle for less. [or an EVO :D ]

The girl is worth the cash and she'll appreciate in value over time.
An STi is an expense that'll only depreciate as the years & miles roll by. But don't be mistaken as both require continual maintenace $$$.

Congratulations and best of luck amigo!

- Janq

Never thought I'd see advice on relationships on a STi Forum...

My thoughts - work out the budget for both - Providing the ring comes first. You have the option of waiting for the STi to appear on the used car lots in a year or two... She will never forget if a car was chosen over her. (trust me on that one - I went shopping for Christmas gifts in 2001 and bought a WRX instead. Not exactly a fun Christmas that year.) (except for the driving:)

500.00 refundable deposit. MSRP+destination charge.

Planet Subaru
Hanover, MA

1,000 deposit
MSRP in writing

Contact me..Tim Sullivan..at 781-826-4444 or yourplanet@aol.com

NO LEASES - SOA will not lease this car. D a m n - looks like I will be trading in the Mouse-tang.

Anyone one want an inferior RWD car? :D

Originally posted by meridock
NO LEASES - SOA will not lease this car. D a m n - looks like I will be trading in the Mouse-tang.

Anyone one want an inferior RWD car? :D

Meridock,

Please state your source and/or reason for believing so.
There are tons of folks at NASIOC like myself who were planning to lease. I'd like to cross-post your response to them so they know too.

BTW, didn't I see your '89 5.0 Mustang with red painted calipers at BJ's in Fair Oaks? You came to see WRX1's killer blue STi, yes?

- Janq

Not that I have any fact behind Subaru not wanting to, but why would Subaru lease these cars when they are in such high demand? Forgive me for being blunt, and nothing personal to the lease seekers on this board, but leasing is typically for people that enjoy trying to live beyond their means or make "status statements" because of the car they drive. Before I get flamed, I know leasing has its benefits for business purposes and some individuals "needs", but the STi is not the type of car a dealer wants to be stuck with after a leasee has used and abused the hell out of it, just to say that they "owned" (rented is more like it) an STi.

Just as Subaru didn't intend the STi to be sold to the "highest bidder" (they priced it for a specific target market and individual), pardon my German (I no longer use French ;) ), but I'm sure Subaru didn't intend the STi to become someone's next lease "*****". Besides, they can't possibly begin to yet predict what the value/residual of the STi will be once it does start hitting the used car market and hopefully to a much lesser extent, the scrap yards. That means that likely no leases, at least for the first year, or until the demand dies down, if ever.

Just MHO!

Dtech

Lynnes Infinity-Nissan-Subaru, Bloomfield, NJ

initially they want $3k above MSRP.

I threaten to walk... over to EVO!

Deposit (this one is flexible) against MSRP in writing.

#5 on the list, black or silver

Slow economy out there, suspect not too many willing to plunk $31k on a souped up econo box.

Sit in the 2004 WRX. Clearly much better fit and finish than EVO. Paint does not look as thin as EVO.

Originally posted by Janq
Meridock,

Please state your source and/or reason for believing so.
There are tons of folks at NASIOC like myself who were planning to lease. I'd like to cross-post your response to them so they know too.

BTW, didn't I see your '89 5.0 Mustang with red painted calipers at BJ's in Fair Oaks? You came to see WRX1's killer blue STi, yes?

- Janq

Manassass Subaru Manager (Roger and Patrick) said the regional SOA dude said no residuals from SOA. # banks have already turned them down. HOWEVER, Patrick will be trying two other sources Monday. I saw #2's in the showroom... Very Nice,

Furthermore. I wanted the STi for a fun commuter, that I can dump if it doesn't meet the needs in 2 years. Leasing gives me that. In order to have a happy home and OWN the STi the Stang must vanish.

Janq...
Wasn't me. Mine is a 95 with Baer Claw brakes... Very unique Saleen Body, Bullitt Color and GT-R badging...

Meridoc,

Thanks for the follow up post...I was afraid SOA might not want to lease/rent the STi. Its too narrow/niche a vehicle and SOA is too small to get in the rental business on these and potentially end up with a pool f STi's they can't resell in the future (24-48) months.

Go to NASIOC and check out my posts & recent dealer info on leasing as found in; http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=364329

I'm going to cross post your info to those guys to keep them up to speed.

- Janq

For all those in So. Cal. go to Santa Monica Subaru and talk to Gary. They still have a blue available NOW! and will get 1-2 cars a month. I just my Black/ Gunmetal from them today.


Good Luck!

Originally posted by shingles
Gilman Subaru in Southwest houston.

MSRP, $500 refundable deposit.

Seems like Gilman is backing out. They are saying that they want MSRP + $3K.

-Shing

Originally posted by deejay
For all those in So. Cal. go to Santa Monica Subaru and talk to Gary. They still have a blue available NOW! and will get 1-2 cars a month.

Thanks for the heads up but just so people know, they're not selling it for MSRP.

Thomas Dodge/Subaru.
LI/NY

They had me put down 1000.00 deposit on my STI and They are selling them for exactly MSRP.
Only catch is I could get it in June or 5 months later. They told me possibley one a month and there only getting 5.
So its mine i just have to wait.
When i went in to order it....I told them about this site and all the dealers that were willing to sell it for MSRP.
I think it helped

-Terry

Originally posted by ObsidianRS
Thanks for the heads up but just so people know, they're not selling it for MSRP.
Yup, I called them a few days ago. I called alot of dealers around here and most of them are marking the price up.

N. California:

Shingle Springs Subaru
MSRP, $1000 refundable deposit, no BS

Ask for Chuck Roati
Inventory sold out through september, but he mentioned ordering...
They got 5 right off the bat, so may be getting pretty good allocation??

Don't really care, picked mine up Saturday....I won't ever touch my wifes WRX again!
:p

I found a good list of dealer phone numbers here:

http://www.carlist.com/cardealers/subaru/state.html

(enter your state above)

For example, California dealers are listed here:

http://www.carlist.com/cardealers/subaru/california.html

Basically, I called every single dealer here an California and found out that the following dealers are selling for MSRP:

Courtesy Motors Auto Center (ask for Dan)
http://www.carlist.com/cardealers/subaru/cachico.html

Green Valley Subaru
http://www.carlist.com/cardealers/subaru/cafairfield.html

Carlsen Subaru
http://www.carlist.com/cardealers/subaru/caredwood.html

Shingle Springs Subaru (ask for Larry)
http://www.carlist.com/cardealers/subaru/cashingle.html

Diablo Subaru (ask for Larry)
http://www.carlist.com/cardealers/subaru/cawalnutcreek.html

Santa Monica Subaru (adds extra $3000 for options: Lojack, paint sealant, radio)
http://www.carlist.com/cardealers/subaru/casantamonica.html

Jack Miller Subaru of Overland Park KS (913)780-0400 told me they are selling them for MSRP w/non-refundable $1000 deposit.

We will also be selling the STI @MSRP w/$1000 deposit.

Contact Kevin Jack at Jeff Morris Subaru, Charleston,WV

e-mail- kj4suby@aol.com

Phone 888-926-9260 Toll Free
Ask For Kevin!

304-926-8000

P.S. We also sell 2004 WRX's $1000-$1400 below MSRP!!!!

Wickliffe Oh has sold at MSRP. use the locator in the Subaru website to obtain their address or Smartpages.Com.

Donttryme 2BlueSTi4me see Cary Hamiltion Salesman

Planet Subaru just outside Boston

1,000 refundable deposit

MSRP

Ask for Tim Sullivan 781-826-4444

Kudo's to all you Subie dealers selling STi's at MSRP or below and with refundable deposits!

Thanks for not taking advantage of a relatively small & niche community of Subaru owners.

Regards,

- Janq

Huffines Subaru in Lewisville (Dallas), TX is selling at MSRP. Ask for Adrian or Chris.

I really would like to get an STi, but looking at my odds to get one now, and the pricetag; I'm really thinking about getting a 03-04 WRX and just making it nice.

Some nices rims, body kit, different spoiler, 17" rims, etc.

BTW, I've seen two on the road in my area. Very Nice Indeed!

Harrisburg, Penna. sells STi's at MSRP and will order with a $500 refundable deposit.

1-800-522-2131 Evelyn Bertoni

I do not get it. Is it that you actually cannot affort to purchase one? The markup is minimal in comparison to every other performance car out there. I bought mine at 3k over and after a month of driving it is worth every penny. While you all are waiting and waiting and waiting, I am enjoying the summer in my new STi. Why don't you suck it up and get one rather than be posers? I know where you can get two right now for $3000 over (which is only $1000 over dealership retail in any case). The guy that sold me mine works at Lithia Subaru in Oregon City, Oregon. They have two that just rolled off the truck, I just talked to him. If you want one, they are not spoken for. My friend is a Sales Manager there, his name is Aaron Weck and you can call him at (503) 723-2206 or email at aweck@lithia.com.

Pestilence,

In the game of life there is a term for the equation; 'MSRP + $3K'.

Commonly its referred to on the streets as the 'Sucker Factor'.
Its been said that there is a sucker born every minute.

Why in the heck would I pay $3K more for something that I can get for retail or less just up the street?

Further, why would I do this for a non-necessary 'toy'?
I mean if I were laid up in the hospital with a broken neck and $3K extra would get me immediate care versus a wait in the emergency lounge, then yes I'd pay it gladly.

Or if I were buying a home and it was either pay a $3K 'lot premium' for immediate occupancy or wait 6 months for a lot to pop up, yes I'd go for it.

I have to say what you and your 'friend' propose is plain ignorant.
BTW, my 'friends' in the industry get me & my family deals on cars and don't charge me or them dealer premiums and 'market adjustments' even on the hottest sellers of the moment.
With friends like your pal Mr. Weck who needs enemies. I bet he gave you a 'free' tank of gas too when you picked it up, on him. Yes? :rolleyes:

For every ten savvy customers like myself who can practice a bit of self restraint there is always a 'sucker' who'll pay anything to have the latest thing.

Did you consider the fact that paying above MSRP only _increases_ the inevitable & real dollar losses due to depreciation? In your case you are instantly down $3K and the car hasn't even been out 3 months. This no less in a down economy that is on the edge of inflation which will make it more difficult for the dollar of today to purchase the same item tomorrow. Important & necessary commodity items like food, fuel, gas (natural & propane), heating oil, and even water. These are things folks need and are willing to pay a premium for.

Nobody "needs" an STi.

Call me cheap, call me a miser, call me a wise cracking a-hole.
All I know is that my banker doesn't call me broke...

...And my momma didn't raise no fools.

- Janq

"A fool and his money will soon be parted." - P.T. Barnum

Janq, you rock!:D

I agree, with a little patience and research you can find the STi at MSRP. It IS an awesome car but I don't think it is worth paying a dealer markup for. If you did, I am sorry.

Originally posted by sub-newbie
Janq, you rock!:D

We gotta work together to keep STi buyers '100% Sucker Free'! :D
Because if you don't know or do your homework some of these dealers will take you for all your worth.

- Janq

'If you don't know, you better ask somebody.'

Janq, jealousy gets you no where. It appears you are trying to convince others that the STI is not worth a little markup. Those not having the guts (or money) to get an STI always seems to make up blah, blah, blah excuses. However, for those that have been waiting for a "dream" car like this to arrive in U.S. soil since the beginning of what seemed like an eternity, the premium for those wanting it right now is certainly worth it. Sure you can use the extra $3000 markup for other "essential" items. Go save it for groceries, utility bills, medical expensense, etc. Meanwhile, proud new STI owners like Pestilence and I can enjoy people like you gawking and dreaming at cars like ours since we will most likely be one of the first in our cities priveleged enough to drive one.

If you look at all the technology wonders that first came out such as the Playstation 2, there were a mass of people waiting in line to get one. Do you know why? Its because there is something to say about being "first" in owning something new. There is a sense of pride of being one of the selected few to be able to own something most people are not able to get. Until you can understand this, you way want to rethink about yourself as being a Subaru loyalist and save your thoughts outside of this forum.

Rlaureano. Are you serious??? This isn't a Ferrari your talking about it's a f***ing Subaru. I want one too. But I wont pay a dime over the MSRP and do you know why? Because I'm not a sucker! I went to Curry Subaru today and the snot nosed little salesman told me"We have a list 22 people long" to which I replied"Oh so I guess it will be a while before I can get one?"to which he replied"Well they have been notified so if you want one of the black ones that we have it's your's for 37,000. " Keep it! I'll have mine soon enough. With my extra dough for some Vishnu upgrades. Just my 2cents.

rlaureano,

Kudos to you kid as you almost got me with that flame bait.
<LMFAO>

But I won't fall for it, not today.
Besides this sub-topic has gone dumb & lame and needs to be killed.

I'll just say that any man who chooses to work for his nickel has the right to choose to spend that nickel any way he darn well pleases.

Congratulations on being "first"...sucker. ;)

- Janq

Sorry to get back to you so late Janq and Druche, but I was busy driving around in my new STI and fending off the crowd of people wanting to take a closer look and giving me compliments for having a great car. Anyway, the only thing I agree with you Janq on is that this thread is dead.

One last thought for people like Druche though. I'm guessing that anyone who underestimates the power and glory of owning a Subaru probably has never drove one. Avid Subaru fanatics like myself and others were there for the countdown of the '02 WRX and bought one when it first came out. We had WRX backgrounds and screen savers on our computers. We collected all the WRX paraphernalia. We bookmarked all the WRX performance web sites and read all articles relating to this great car. We read all about the previous STI versions sold outside the US. Now that it has arrived, it is like a dream come true.

There are many who initially paid over $10k markup. This is the same with any new limited production car that everyone wants. I've heard of people paying more than $20k above sticker for the BMW M3 and Z4 when they first came out. I was one of those who put a deposit since the beginning of the year only to find out that my local dealer was asking for a $5k markup. No dealer here in L.A. even had one in stock!!! It was actually faster and cheaper for me to fly to Sacramento to buy mine with less markup.

Sure the STI is not a Ferarri, but I can guarantee you that it can put many of these exotic cars to shame in terms of performance, value and reliability. If you are a true car enthusiast, you would know that a 300HP, 300FT.LBS torque, AWD, 4.6 second 0-60MPH, 13.1 second 1/4 mile is a lot to say for this f***ing Subaru.

If you're looking for a 2004 Sti, look no further. The dealership I work for has one (Blue body, silver wheels) available for immediate sale. No markup, strictly msrp. If you're not too far from bethlehem, PA or don't mind making a long trip, Call me, Rich Miller at Faulkner Subaru in Bethlehem PA. The phone number is (610)867-4177. First deposit with approved credit takes it.

I'll say this again, it's been awhile. How many of you remember the ZR1, Buick GNX, and soon to be gone Z01. These have and will all hold there value. Why you can't even buy a GNX for less then 20k and what did it go for new. How about the mark up on it back in the 80's. Yes, some darn fool paid the extra and probably sold it a few years later not knowing what it could go for now. Hindsight is 20/20.

I had and idea what the mark up could be but I planned on spending no more than $4000 to any dealer if I could find one. Why at the begining of the year we all speculated on what the MSRP was going to be. Most people chating figured around $35 some thought closer to the standard WRX but a bit more. I figured around 34k for the MSRP. Well I was close except thats what it turned out to be with the mark up from some dealers. So yes, those aftermarket parts sure would look nice on my Sti from the 3k. More than half that will go to my 18" rims/tires. I can wait a few months after I get the car. Besides my wife made me change my mind on the color more than once. That alone was worth the 3k so I wouldn't have to change my mind again,, fewww.... Se ya on the road guys....

Keep in mind though that Buick and their 'GN' series had a long automotive history prior of performance machines (all based on every day grocery getters).

The ZR1 was truly a special car from a marque and for a market that is known to produce & adore (sometimes without reason) the lineage. BTW, the STi is no ZR1.

As for "Z01", are you referring to the Chevy 'Monza Spyder' of yore? My dad had one of those and an uncle too. What a POS!
But hey I shouldn't say that as some Monza club member will get all cranked up and claim he has one in his backyard under a tree with an LS6 or '4G63' and it does 9's or some other such non-sense.

How about other notable obscurities such as the GMC 'Cyclone' & 'Typhoon' (I saw one just this past Sunday being driven by some teen racng an Integra in mid-day on a busy throughfare...asses!), or the Dodge Coronet 'SuperBee' that only now 30 years later is drawing the admiration of collectors, or how about the Buick 'Centurian' luxo-boat 2 door full size convertible "coupe" that was based on the same Buick 'Century' sedan that Telly Savalas drove as 'Kojak' and sherrif Buford T. Justice chased Burt Rynolds in 'Smokey & The Bandit'. Oh and lets no forget the odd duck AMC 'Javelin' with 383's, "3 on the tree" or "4 on the floor" transmissions that were quick as all when they ran. Or lets get out the history books and go 'modern' with in order of production year the Giugarrio designed, Ford 302 (and later 351C) powered and Mercury dealership sold 'Pantera', or how about the domestic SoCal built Vector 'W-12' or even more recent the Dodge 'Shelby' Omni & 'GLHS' with the "Iron Duke" 4 banger and the Mitsu 'plug n' pray' turbo units of yore, or the true "Back to the Future" car by good ol' cocaine cowboy John DeLorean?

All of which are "collectibles" to some old rich guy with more money than sense reliving his youth at a warm weather 'concours' or some poor young guy motoring around in a used & abused 'running' relic Pontic T-Bird 455 with 'Thunder Chicken' emblem emblazoned on the hood that he found in the back of his local Auto Trader.

Collectible is not a term that can be applied to too many vehicles. There are no sure bets in the collectibles market. Heck, I'd even bet the newly minted and hyper-exclusive Maybach's will be available in the used car market sooner or later at much less than their crazy & stupid asking price.
Now there have been some truly collectible offerings to come down the pike recently including the BMW 850, 635 CSi & M1, Benz 300 SEL '6.3', Mustang GT-500 KR aka 'King of the Hill', RUF 911 Turbo, 959, 928 GTS (!), early 'Heavy Chevy' Chevelle's & Nova's, and Ford F-100 'Sanford & Son' pick-up trucks amongst other notables.

But even with the above folks had no real way of knowing how popular & wanted they would become, except for the M1, 959 & 300 SEL 6.3, and as such most were bought, driven hard then sold or traded. Its always and only the lucky stiffs or the truly prescient who ever actually hang on to a car and make moeny on it. Everyone has a family member who sold a gem and now regrets it. My fathers older sister sold her mint & low miles factory Hemi Cuda Charger AAR in 'Plum Crazy' purple with the factory striping and everything to some long haired hippie back in '81 to get of all things, a dealer demo 280 ZX 2+2 automatic. Her excuse, she was tired of driving a stick! I was in 7th grade and remember it like it was yesterday. I begged and pleaded for her not to sell it all the way up to the night the kid came to pickup the keys and peeled out of her driveway. Man, to this day it hurts to think about it. And that 280 ZX...long gone as it had more problems than Martha Stewart.

Anyway, my point is that for every owner of an authentic, low miles & documented cherry '69 'Hurst' 455 Olds Cutlass with a droptop and factory leather (my maternal grandmother had one till some guy hit and totalled it which she replaced with a '79 VW Rabbit) there is ten guys hanging on to an '83 'Hurst' Olds Cutlass with a dog 307 engine, factory 2bbl and crushed velour interior (my dad had one...the only thing it could blow away was his gas card!).

Look at cars like you do when purchasing tennis shoes.
Buy'em, wear'em, enjoy'em, and when they wear out get some new one's. Holding on to them just results ina a closet full of stinky old tennis shoes hoping to be like the kid/dork up the street who bought every pair of Nike 'Air Jordan' shoe that came out going back to the originals in '81 and is now selling them in glass cases to other dorks on e-Bay for crazy money.

Just have fun with your car and let a 401K or IRA by your investment. :)

- Janq

Janq,
Very good thoughts and comments. Now here is the kicker for me. My first car was a 1970 ss chevelle LS6 option. I bought the car in 1983 from a family who used the car to tow a boat. Everybody from my high school offerd the guy to buy it and he said no. 6mo. later I walk up to his wife and asked if they would sell it. She said sure how much ? I got the car for $1500<< "Sorry for that typo..... Boy I wish I still had that car to this day"......:(

15k? Seems like a lot in 83...

Originally posted by fivoslug
Janq,
Very good thoughts and comments. Now here is the kicker for me. My first car was a 1970 ss chevelle LS6 option. I bought the car in 1983 from a family who used the car to tow a boat. Everybody from my high school offerd the guy to buy it and he said no. 6mo. later I walk up to his wife and asked if they would sell it. She said sure how much ? I got the car for $15k. Boy I wish I still had that car to this day......:(

When I was in 11th grade I was reviewing the 'Washington Post' sale ads as part of my weekly automotive obsession (before my days of BBS' and now Internet forums) and I came across a proverbial 'spurrned woman deal'!
It was a'69 Mustang Boss 429 w/factory 'Shaker Hood' scoop in yellow with black leather interior. The car had been bought & owned by her former hubby who left her for another woman. As part of their divorce settlement they had to split 50/50 all of their stuff which included the cars. She had listed the car in the paper for $3,000....THREE THOUSAND BUCKS!!!!

Now I was much more savvy than your average 16 yr/old and I knew this just had to be a junker or something as the ad just stated something to the effect of "69 Mustang 429 manual. Good condition. Must sell. $3,000 OBO". (!)

Being a big Mustang fan ince I was a wee tyke I called the lady out of curiousity as a 429 block alone is worth more than $3,000 and I figured I'd buy the hulk, pull the block in shop class and sell it & what ever parts were good for profit...and make the whole deal my shop class annual project. Whats not to like, right?
So I call the lady with my deep post puberty voice and inquire about the car. She goes on to tell me I'm the first person to call about the ad and that her husband was a rat bastard who cheated on her (blah, blah, crying, blah) and that he left her with this gas guzzling car to sell and that she hated drivng stick and wanted it "gone, gone, gone!" <yes, she said just that!>.
Well it was beginning to get tasty so I asked about the cars conditon and she went on about how the husband babied it and took beter care of it than her & the kids...then more blathering & crying.
I offered to stop by and take a look at it the next day thinking it must be a 'fixer upper' special from J.C. Whitney or something. The next day I draft a buddy of mine with a car to drive me across town (Frederick, MD) to this ladies house. We pull up and she's waiting with the garage door open.

I tell you, we hadn't even fully pulled into her driveway when my jaw dropped and heart began to pound, real HARD.

It was a real honest to God ultra rare Boss 429 and gleaming with wax & chrome! It was all original except for a set of chrome Cragar rims and easily removable ladder bars.

We jump out the car and both my buddy and I are stunned. It was in seemingly showroom condition with as I recall less than 10K on the odo. Now consider this was 1986!
The lady goes onto telling her story again and how the dudes brother wants to buy it but she won't sell it to him cause he's an a-hole too....blah, blah, blah.
Well I turn around go home all full of dreams and big man on campus hopes. This car could get me out of the nerd patrol and into the cool zone, where the GIRLS all were in school. You know that area, the student parking lot!
Well I get home only to have my parents tell me I can't buy the car, even though I had enough of my own money! Some non-sense about college and books and living under my own roof, etc.

Nothing I said would sway them.
So, two days later I call the lady back to tell her my situation and she informs me that a "nice neighbor" offered her cash on the spot the same day I came out to see it. Ain't that a crime!!!

I try not to think about stuff like that though...the pain is just too overwhelming. :(

- Janq

Originally posted by meridock
15k? Seems like a lot in 83...

Maybe he's Canadian or was using 'Green Stamps'! :)

- Janq

Sorry for the typo that was suppose to be $1500... :eek:

Even though I specifically asked about MSRP with no extra options when I emailed Wilkinds Subaru here in Maryland they said this in email.


The last car we delivered had an MSRP of about $32,111 as it had
security upgrade system, wheel locks, and turbo gauge. That included the
destination charge.

We require a $2,000 deposit on the STi. Any ?'s, give me a call. I'm out
of the office on Thursdays though I call in for calls.

Gene Walman


So $2K deposit and they won't give me an actual price on an option free STI.

I specifically said I will add options AFTER buying and my STi came with the exact options N/A quoted. The only one I would not have added was the turbo gauge. the stock location is crap - covers up the outside temp. Should be centered on the column so you can see it and the tach in one glance.

All Sti's are coming with different option packages. Very few are coming with no options installed. I could be wrong, but unless you're ordering a car with no options it will have some on them. This is a limited production vehicle this year, so, to order one with or without from your dealer, is probably impossible. The dealers probably had a check off list of option packages (for example);

1) compass mirror, arm rest xtension
2) compass mirror, boost gauge
3) boost gauge, gauge dash board pkg, compass mirror

each dealer would have check off which package they perferred to be sent to them morew than likely. Again, I don't think they sent the Sti's without options, maybe in the future. Again, I may be wrong:rolleyes: but this has been my observation with my research into this car.

If I were to believe what the dealer said - "I only got to specify the color and wheel - the rest was SOA choice"

Now part of me puts that together with the comment he mentioned the STi has no margin for the dealership - like 1500 total rev to sell. Accessories are money baby. you load it up and they make a small percentage more.

If its true that I get zero say in the choice of the options and only the color or the car and the rims then I won't be buying an STI this time around. My cars paid off and I'm in no hurry to let SOA or a dealership force me into anything. Even though I already had a very good loan approval from my bank they still claim that they must run my credit before they will discuss the price or a test drive.

Re: options... I know and agree. (Second allotments may go better)

I would take the approval with you and beat the sales manager over the head with it.

Originally posted by meridock
If I were to believe what the dealer said - "I only got to specify the color and wheel - the rest was SOA choice"

Now part of me puts that together with the comment he mentioned the STi has no margin for the dealership - like 1500 total rev to sell. Accessories are money baby. you load it up and they make a small percentage more.

Meridock,

As my favorite band Public Enemy says; "Don't believe the hype."

Dealers make money, thats why there in business.
Manuf. know this and buld in a _healthy_ profit for the dealers at MSRP as well as in most cases 'retail invoice'.
Do know that dealers do not pay a net price of the invoice cost. They actually pay something called 'dealer cost' which is the result of invoice minus kickbacks (aka 'holdbacks') and minus incentives. Then there is profit buil into leasing programs as well as secondary deals the dealers make with third party leasing and/or convetional financers.
Oh, and those parts they'll be so happy to sell you...a huge profit center for dealers. Thats not to speak of the service bays which for some dealers can be as high as 40% of their gross quarterly revenue!

So I tell you as a long time and former insider to that industry I can frankly tell you do not feel badly for dealers. The children of dealer principles have straight teeth, are well fed, drive nice cars and generally go to the school of their choice.
There will always be as I refer to them 'suckers' who'll pay MSRP and more, and dealers love those folks, but for you and I in specific just as with most any other product (durable good or not) their is no reason to pay more than retail.
Further, there is no reason to believe the garbage that salesmen will feed you about having very little proft margin and such. Its pure bologna, Oscar Meyer.

Know what you want and demand it.
If your local dealer doesn't have it, then walk away as someone else will.

Regards,

- Janq

P.S. - For the record I'm not a disgruntled ex dealership employee. To the contrary I loved working in that industry and look back to it fondly as I had many varied and unique experiences there. But like a lot of things I got bored and moved on to bigger & better (more $$$) without regret. Fortunate for me though as well as my family and close friends I retained alot of onfo about the industry and still stay very close to it through old contacts & ex-associates. :)

Originally posted by rlaureano
Sorry to get back to you so late Janq and Druche, but...
RLaureano,

I had planned to drop the subject about paying dealer markups and just ignore you. But at NASIOC the topic came up again (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=386044) with another person who was thinking of paying a dealer markup and I posted for him a reply to help him understand why its not good to pay such fees. Not that I think you'll come around on this but for the edification of those others who are monitoring this thread you'll find below my feedback in regard to paying dealer markups on any vehicle whether it be an STi or a Honda Odyssey;

"Actually you save [by not paying dealer markups] $3-5K up front in out of pocket expenses, but then you also save an equal amount in instant depreciation the moment you drive it off the lot. The result is a total savings of $3-5K in pocket/near term and $6-10K in pocket/long term.

For those who do pay the $3-5K markup, if they were to get in a wreck the very next day and total their car an insurance company would _not_ reimburse them for the dealer markup they paid. They would only get MSRP and have to eat the rest, out of their own pockets.

Paying dealer markup is doubly expensive but folks aren't seeming to realize this. Do the math and you'll find the following; $3-5K (Markup) = 9.5 to 15.8% of the $31,545 MSRP!

Thats at least two and greater than three times the 4.5% sales tax in my state (VA)! And its not deductible in any way.
Imagine if your state suddenly decided to double or triple state tax on automotive purchases? Buyers would have a fit, as they did when the 'Luxury' tax was federally mandated back in '87, which was phased out on Jan. 1, 2003.

Now when put in the above terms and the math is calculated how much sense does it make to pay dealers a markup? See why I'm so adamant against paying dealer markups?!

Under no circumstances and no matter how badly you _want_ an STi (no one "needs" an STi!), should anyone make the mistake of paying dealer markups on any vehicle."

- Janq

"An educated consumer is our best customer." - Syms

Originally posted by Druche
Rlaureano. Are you serious??? This isn't a Ferrari your talking about it's a f***ing Subaru.

Strong second to that. It's just a car.

Originally posted by rlaureano
Sorry to get back to you so late Janq and Druche, but I was busy driving around in my new STI and fending off the crowd of people wanting to take a closer look and giving me compliments for having a great car. Anyway, the only thing I agree with you Janq on is that this thread is dead.

One last thought for people like Druche though. I'm guessing that anyone who underestimates the power and glory of owning a Subaru probably has never drove one.

So you paid a premium for the glory of owning a $10K econobox with a hopped up engine? (standing ovation)

I'm glad to see that you got your money's worth. Nothing like purchasing compliments and validation in the eyes of strangers.

I wish people would crowd around my car and tell me it is great. That would make me feel so much better about myself as a human being. It's certainly worth paying money for.

clmnr, you obviously know nothing about the STI when you only think the STI is a glorified econobox. Why are you even posting in this forum if you have little knowledge and respect for Subaru? Why piece of crap are you driving? Uh, huh. I thought so. Another jealous STI wannabe.

Originally posted by rlaureano
clmnr, you obviously know nothing about the STI when you only think the STI is a glorified econobox. Why are you even posting in this forum if you have little knowledge and respect for Subaru? Why piece of crap are you driving? Uh, huh. I thought so. Another jealous STI wannabe.

Ahahahahahahahhaaaaaa. I can't believe I've let myself even start debating you on this, but your post is so hilarious that I'll keep going...

So here goes...

What do you know of my knowledge of Subaru?

You want to know what piece of crap I'm driving?

Well, it's an '02 WRX. Uh huh. I thought so.

Have I driven an STi? Yes. The question is how many versions and how many times. Living in Japan for 10 years, and hanging out with the Kanpachi group, I was driving STi's before you had even HEARD of them punk.

I have also driven the new STi. Much of the mechanics are improved over the WRX Granted, fun, with great pull, but still the same rattling tin can.

The WRX was cheap fun.

The STi is slightly overpriced, horribly overpriced if you pay a premium. And just plain stupid if you are buying it to earn compliments like you.

My next car will likely be a Ferrari 308 GTB, so you might guess that I am not the least bit jealous of an STi.

But I don't get jealous over cars anyway. I have more important things to do with my life than to judge myself or others based on the cars they drive, or pay premiums on cars to get compliments from strangers. After all, it's just a car...

...ding, ding, ding.

That folks ends "The Thread Kill'a Thriller".
And what a battle it was!

We had 'RLaureano' in the white trunks gamely fighting to the very end using a wit & style borrowed from the likes of 'Forrest Gump' and 'Happy Gilmore' with a bit Henry 'The Fonz' Fonzarelli thrown in with authority. He held his own through the use of both double reverse psychology and liberal applications of spit & forearm.

Meanwhile 'CMNLR' in the black trunks, defending champion and founding member of the 'Invective Invaders' came through with a more conventional though mixed style of martial art holds & locks while using conventional boxing technique jabbing, blocking and parrying to great effect.

The results are close and we're forced to go to the score cards on this one as neither fighter delivered a decisive knock-out punch.

Ok, 'Mean Gene Okerlund' enters the ring to announce the winner of this viviacious verbal tête-à-tête. The likes of which we haven't seen since the O.J. case when Marcia 'Glamour Shots' Clark danced dirty with Johnny 'Poetic Justice' Cochran!

The results are in and folks hold your hats...
Judges indicate that this fight has resulted in a TIE!!! :eek:

Some feel the unwarranted costs of paying over MSRP are offset by the accordant local fame and short term gain of STi groupie dates.
While the more logical & conservative bunch argue along with Greenspan that inflation in the long term is good for no one and as such paying dealer markups is akin to throwing the baby out with the bath water.

But hey not all of us are into babies and when left without a pot to piss in they'll take what they can get, baby or no.

So fight fans that as they say; "Thats all she wrote!"

We'll see you at our next 'War of Words' event which is currently boiling at NASIOC.com. (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=392533&goto=newpost)
For those that don't know, the basis of this new fight is whether or not the STi will in fact make for a decent/ barely passable snow car or infact be a snow eating machine akin to a 4 door turbo 'Sno- Cat'!?!? As 'Junior Soprano' once said; "If you're gonna come, come heavy!"

And this is your host and friendly neighborhood 'Janq' saying; "Now thats entertainment!" :D

Thanks for the humorous closer Janq.

It certainly was a fun thread. I hope no one took it too seriously. I certainly didn't.

RLaureano, your comments weren't serious, right?

Just one thing: it wasn't a tie, cuz I wasn't fighting. I was just playing.

:D

don't know if anybody posted this, but hunter subaru, south blvd in charlotte is charging $5000 over msrp! that's bull! i'll wait to trade in my WRX for it in a few years, when the price goes down

You guys (janq and cmlnr) are a blast to talk to. It is always fun to have people like you having contradictory opinions of the STI. Although I am not in disagreement that the STI is overpriced and does not carry some of the prestige and luxury of German and Italian sports cars, I (and the majority out there) would continue to argue that there are very few cars that can be compared in the same league.

Sure, there have certainly been countless debates on how the STI fares with the EVO, G35, SVT Cobra, M3, S4, SRT4, RX8 and Vette. Although, each have their share of positive traits, let's not deny that NOT ONE has ALL the same traits of the STI. While others consider the handling of the EVO, the power of the SVT, the price of the SRT4 and the luxury of the M3, S4 or G35 and the babe factor of the Vette to be superior, there is no denying that the STI is in a class by itself.

For me, the STI is the perfect solution. It gives me 4-doors for my family, AWD for the terrain, power to kick serious butt, reliability for endurance and resale value, and is affordable enough to buy and not be hit with high insurance premiums (like Ferrari or Porsche - pay attention cmlnr).

Yes, I will admit that paying over MSRP is not a financially brilliant idea. But keep in mind that I wanted one so bad and could not wait at the time to buy one. The only way to sidestep the waiting list and the law of supply and demand was to pay a little premium. This car by no means was the first thing people paid a premium for due to the short supply.

BTW, for those of you interested, Courtesy Motors in Chico, CA just called me and said thay have a blue/gold STI available (at MSRP). And no, I do not regret waiting...

Selling Sti's at MSRP

Herwaldt Subaru
5499 N Blackstone
Fresno CA, 93710
559-438-6944

Ask for Roger or Frank when you call.

Reports from the field;

Flew in to Rochester and picked up my STi yesterday.
Haven't stopped smiling since driving off the dealers lot...

Spent the first 10 mintues on the road saying out loud to myself; "Oh my gosh!" and "Oops"..

Keeping below 4K rpm requires a tremendous amount of self restraint, or skip shifting in a 1,3,5,6 or 2,4,6 pattern...

Who needs a radio when you've got Rock & Rool & Rumble transmissions via an open window...

I really like listening to the burble of the exhaust.
It reminds me of a small block Chevy based marine engine...

The seats for my body are great/perfect.
I've put in 512 miles in the last 24 hours and have zero complaints with my longest continuous stretch lasting 4 hours at just over 275 miles...

Even with the AC on set at 65 (max cooling) and loping along in 6th gear, the car just wants to run, making passing a breeze.
It very much reminds me of my Trek Y-77 racing bike or riding a slightly wild horse. Alot of fun but something in the back of my mind keeps telling me to prepare to do a 'stuntmans roll' if/when it throws me...

My wife referred to it this morning as "pretty" and tonight asked if she could drive it (!). A big step up considering she's been calling me 'Uncle Ben' for weeks and had been saying the car looks juvenile and that she would never be seen it...

I let my good friend Tom drive it today and he too was enamored.
I fear he'll be wanting to trade in his beloved '00 VW GTI (1.8L T) toward an STi (or WRX) of his own someday soon...

Silver Met. is a very nice color to behold at dusk/night...

No street challenges (thank goodness) but lots of tuner love via smiles, waves and knowing knods...

I've passed 9 cops on the highway thus far (that I saw) across four states (NY,PA, MD, & VA) and not one paid me any attention. Pulled up beside an unmarked Fairfax County cop though here in VA on Rt.50 & Centerville Road (cop #10) and he tried to stare me down as though I'd stolen something.
Feeling a bit daring, I stared back for about 10 seconds then winked at him & grinned. He looked away. My buddy Tom cracked up as we pulled away.

Did I mention I'm having lots of fun in this car?!

More updates to come...

- Janq

Congratulations janq on your new STI. Now you know why fanatics like me were driven to be among the first to own one. My first driving experience from Sacramento to Los Angeles was equally thrilling. I felt as if I was a pilot rather than a driver since the sound the STI makes was more reminiscent of an airline jet turbine than a combustion engine. Until now, I still haven't gotten rid of the boyish grin I get whenever I take my STI for a spin (or should I say manuevers).

Originally posted by rlaureano
Congratulations janq on your new STI. Now you know why fanatics like me were driven to be among the first to own one. My first driving experience from Sacramento to Los Angeles was equally thrilling. I felt as if I was a pilot rather than a driver since the sound the STI makes was more reminiscent of an airline jet turbine than a combustion engine. Until now, I still haven't gotten rid of the boyish grin I get whenever I take my STI for a spin (or should I say manuevers).

Yes!

That whistle reminds me of a chopper's turbine engine.
Very cool.

This weekend I'm going to attempt my first mod to convert the dash to red illumination. I'm also going to look into filtering the interior lights (dome, etc) to illuminate red as in the Audi A8 (they use LED's).

I won't comment on the pricing thing anymore. Though I will say I'm naturally 'cheap' and hate to pay retail and even more I hate to see folks paying markups. But thats just me.

Next on my list of 'Things to Do' is to get myself a radio & install it.

I keep wanting to knock off from work and take a run to OC or something. Its such a nice day out today and I gotta kill off these last few hundred miles...

- Janq

North Coast Subaru
Glen Cove, NY
516-330-9534
kalex59@yahoo.com

Ask for Orlando.

STi MSRP, $500 refundable deposit. I will throw in free SUBARU wheel locks. That is my personal bonus to buyers. :D

my recommendation:

Nate Wade Subaru
Salt Lake City
ask for Rick Gruber

sold one to me at msrp and made it a truely plesureable experience. i had to drive 750 miles to get it, but it was worth it in my eyes. by the time i got home, it was almost broken in!

as a side note - i emailed a very well-known dealership to have them take me off their msrp waiting list so someone else could move up and the response was "if they had known i needed one right away (italics mine), they had a blue/gold ready to sell; someone had backed out at msrp. who doesn't need one right away? a month ago, i was #94 and the estimate was six months. what's up with that? :rolleyes:

mark

Fitzgerald auto mall Maryland www.fitzmall.com

just wanted to pass this along. Wont be long....

STI Wagon please, Impreza, Forester, Legacy I dont care which. With 2 kids the sedan just wont work.

Town motors in englewood, nj will have 2 sti's come august for msrp. silver/silver and a blue/gold. Neone in n nj need one give them a call. Both were unspoken for when I picked up my car last sat.

I have been doing some independent price shopping of STI's in So Cal for the past week and I do not think that buyers, for the most part, are buying from the dealers charging over MSRP. I base my opinion on the following: Big Valley Subaru (Van Nuys) has seven cars on the lot and listed on their web site inventory as of 07/30/03 and they are charging approx $4500 over, which includes a Pioneer radio. Irvine Subaru has ten (10) cars listed on their web site and they want $3000 over. I do not know what they include for the $3000 if anything. Santa Monica has one car, silver on silver, left as of today at $2800 over which includes lojack, a radio and a wax job. Timmon in Long Beach has 3 cars on their website inventory and i do not know how much they are charging over invoice. So there are at least 21 STI's within 50 miles of L.A. on the second to last day of July. The August allotments are in L.A. harbor waiting for space on the dealers lots. If the cars were really bringing the premium the dealers would like to claim they would not be sitting with so many. At the rate these dealers are accumulating inventory, they are going to have to start selling at MSRP real soon or even, dare I say, start discounting these cars. When the WRX came out in 2001 the dealers tried to get over MSRP for several months, it took about 6-8 months before they started to discount, and about a year before you could buy the WRX at a few hundred over cost. I do not think it will take that long for the dealers to come around this time as the economy is soft and the market is flooded with great $30K+ cars. That is my opinion.

Check out Falconi in Belle Vernon, south on 51. They sold me mine even though I was out of State (Texas) and were REAL freindly and helpful. Ask for Karen, and feel free to mention my name (Gord). Karen says she'll sell for MSRP and will order them with ZERO options if you wish. Not sure how many she can get though. They also kept mine in the showroom to keep the tirekickers in check.
Cheers.
Gord

I would like to include Perry Buick on this list but I am currently trying to convince them that MSRP is the way to go. They have 1 black STI for 36.955 with radio/speakers installed. Trying to get them to order a Silver Silver w/no options for me, lets see if they agree to it.

And btw Thank you Janq for your outstanding posts. I can say I've learned a great deal just reading what you throw down on this Forum. And gratz on receiving your new toy :)

Originally posted by wewu
Town motors in englewood, nj will have 2 sti's come august for msrp. silver/silver and a blue/gold. Neone in n nj need one give them a call. Both were unspoken for when I picked up my car last sat.
The blue one is gone and I am still debating on the silver one. My first choice is white....
By the way, I called all 6 dealerships in northern NJ area and all but one are selling them at MSRP, not sure about deposit though.
One dealer wanted me to buy extended warranty in exchange for MSRP which I laughed and told him bye. :D

This thread is now on autospies.com.. Woo hoo..
BTW, Van Bortel sells all their STis for $400 over invoice, cheapest in the Country..
www.vanbortelsubaru.com - and no, I dont know them or work for them.. But I will probably buy my STi from them...
Upstate NY is the location..

Put silver/silver for $400 over invoice and I will buy mine immediately then.. I hope they r reading this...


Originally posted by wewu
Town motors in englewood, nj will have 2 sti's come august for msrp. silver/silver and a blue/gold. Neone in n nj need one give them a call. Both were unspoken for when I picked up my car last sat.

I have mine on order too..but there is one thing you need to mention about Van Bortel. They have a waiting list of 95+ They are aloted 60 cars per year and all of the 60 are spoken for, so you will receive an '05 IF they are indeed scheduled for sale that year.

Every dealership in the Albany area are selling for MSRP. I will pick my Blue/silver STi up next saturday but i don't know which dealer yet. Goldstein and Marshall's Auto Exchange are battling for my business. They both have the car in the showroom with sold signs on them. So far Marshall's is giving me the best deal $31000 even plus the $750 stereo in it for free. A note though Marshall's will take $1000 off MSRP on orders but i don't want to wait and the stereo makes up for it anyway. Every dealership in this area has them in stock and none are marked up the Capital Region/upstate NY is where to buy.

Well how about an Almost new Blue STi. (Only 500 miles) You can save thousands in sales tax plus get a fantastic sound system.

MSRP + Taxes + Warranty + Stereo = $37,000. I will part with the car for $32,900 OBO. Must sell immediately.

The car was fitted with a Premium Sound System: Alpine Receiver and Sub-Woofer, Infiniti Components at the tune of $1,800. I'm in the Atlanta area and can't keep the car.

Serious Inquiries only.

(404) 630-4337

I bought my STi from Jason Coleman at Terry VW Subaru in Lyncburg, VA. I paid MSRp for the car AND got a fair value for my trade in. This is something a lot of people forget about when they say they bought their STi for MSRP. I tried to buy close to home but no Ohio dealer would give me what my trade was worth. They all tried to get over MSRP by screwing me on the trade in value.

I drove 7 hrs to buy this car. Jason is a straight shooter and he will deal with you in a professional manner. No BS when I got there. The deal was written up as agreed to over the phone & fax. I am very pleased with the deal. You can contact Jason at 800-964-5516 or jcoleman@terryvwsubaru.com.

Try Marty at AMD Subaru in South Hampton, NH. below list

Well RK Chevy/Subaru in Virginia Beach didn't come through on the STI at MSRP. They are charging $36, 803 starting and give 15 to 16.2k on 02 WRX trade in. If you have the extra money buy from them, If not look elsewhere.

chaplin's bellevue subaru in washington state....got mine for 800 under msrp 31,300 withouth tax and licensing. ask for jay or sonny

IN ARIZONA:


just find a dealer outside phoenix. I picked mine up in flagstaff and my cousin in prescott both for MSRP. I have talked to tucson and they will also do MSRP. Garcia Subaru in new mexico will also sell at MSRP!


happy STI hunting!

are there any dealerships in the chicago area that would sell for msrp or close to it? if not chicago then somewhere close within driving distance? i know all the places to avoid here but not where to buy.

I can get great deals on STi's I got a great deal on mine and i got one for my friend. It only costs about $500 to ship the car and i've got a good thing going with this guy so i might be able to get it taken care of for free. Can get you a blue w/ silver wheels or black w/ gold right now or have any ordered for msrp or less email me at sicsol00@yahoo.com if interested general or anyone else having problems getting one.

Todd Swift
Hatfield Subaru
614-870-9559
www.hatfieldsubaru.net
Columbus Ohio


I got three available at MSRP!!

Attention all Subaru fans....
If you want a deal on a STI or a WRX or any other Subaru's!!!
We are selling a Silver in-stock STI for less than MSRP!
A World Rally Blue '03 WRX for less, as well as other in-stock units! Based in BC, Canada we offer excellent service and will ship to anywhere in the U.S. or Canada.
Please feel free to contact myself, Chesne (sounds like Sha-nae).
Toll Free 1-877-490-9844 or cpakulak@threepointmotors.com
visit our website at www.threepointnanaimo.com

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Try East Imports in Grand Rapids, Michigan they have 2 available at MSRP one black and one blue.

:D

I have 2 STI'S in stock for Sale at MSRP

One has Gold Wheels, the other Silver Wheels
Both are WR Blue

No Waiting List!

No Extra Charges!

No Kidding!


Chris Flynn
Milea Subaru
Bronx, NY
718-829-8200

Stevens Creek Auto Imports, San Jose, CA. Hard to believe, but I finally beat down the dealer cost, this time around :). Purchased, last Sat, 11/1/03

The Internet guy, James Johnson is selling at $500 off msrp at Arlington AutoMall. You can contact him @ 817-375-3076. He has 6 in stock. Blue (1) Silver (3), White (1) and Black (1). He's the one to see. He also has a toll free number, 1-877-232-1243.:D

Irvine Subaru (Orange County, CA)
They have 20+ in stock
msrp
Toll Free 866-715-9517 ask for Jeremy in Internet Sales

Subaru of Dallas, great folks and pushing High Performance!
Check them out as they are a stand alone Suby store. My deal worked out great.

For anyone interested: You can tell them Rick LePore referred you and they will give you this pricing.

Your cost on a 2004 Silver WRX STi w/silver rims would be
28,724.00(price includes our 125.00 Title and Doc. fee).

This is what I got from Chris at Manchester (Vt.) Subaru.