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Uk bobby;s scred up big time(guy shot not a T)
Family mourn for Brazilian victim
Relatives and friends of Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian man shot by police in London, have expressed their grief, shock and anger at the killing.
His London-based cousin, Alex Pereira, paid tribute to him but sharply criticised authorities for the error.
His grandmother said there was no reason for considering him a terrorist.
The 27-year-old was fatally shot after boarding a train at Stockwell underground station on Friday, a day after failed attacks on the network.
Climate of terror
The BBC's Steve Kingstone in Sao Paulo says there has been a lot of sympathy for London in Brazil over the bombings, together with an understanding of the need for tough police action.
He was the grandson that I always carried inside my heart, and I am terribly sad about what happened
Zilda Ambrosia de Figueiredo
But Brazilians are also strongly opposed to the Iraq war and there is still a lot of anger about the US invasion, he says.
They will be also be asking why someone lying on the floor and apparently offering no resistance was shot, according to eyewitnesses, five times in the head.
Our correspondent says the Brazilian government, while obviously sensitive to the broader climate of terror, is under pressure from its people to deliver answers.
It said in a statement it was shocked and perplexed, and expected a full explanation from the UK authorities.
'Full of life'
Details have been emerging about Mr Menezes - an apparently law-abiding citizen who was well-liked and as concerned as other Londoners about the bomb attacks.
Mr Pereira said his cousin was the son of a bricklayer and grew up in the city of Gonzaga in Minas Gerais state, a source of many migrants to Europe and the US.
He moved to Sao Paulo to live with his uncle at the age of 14, attended high school and became a qualified electrician.
He had lived and worked in London legally for at least three years and spoke excellent English.
The cousin described him as a "person full of life", adding that he was "a victim of government's mistakes."
"They had to kill someone to show the whole population they are working and make the country safe," he told the BBC.
"He does not have a past that would make him run from police," he added in an interview for Brazilian TV.
But the BBC's Tom Gibb in Brazil said Mr Menezes' experience of Sao Paulo's slum areas meant that he might - on the contrary - have run in reaction to having a gun pulled on him.
His grandmother, Zilda Ambrosia de Figueiredo, offered perhaps the most touching tribute.
She told Globo TV: "He was very easy going and very communicative with everyone."
"He was the grandson that I always carried inside my heart. And I am terribly sad about what happened."
Motorbike
Gésio César D'avila, a friend and colleague, said Mr Menezes had considered alternative transport after the failed attacks on 21 July.
"We were together on Thursday, and when we saw what happened, Jean said he wanted to buy a motorbike to avoid the tube," he said.
On Friday Mr Menezes had come out of his flat in Tulse Hill, south London, which he shared with cousins Vivian and Patricia.
He was thought to be on his way to fit a fire alarm.
The house had been under police surveillance because of a suspected link to Thursday's attempted bombings.
Police followed him as he caught a bus to Stockwell tube station.
They said Mr Menezes' apparently bulky clothing added to their suspicions. Some Brazilians find even summer weather in the UK cold and often dress warmly.
But cousin Patricia Armani said she did not remember him wearing a padded jacket.
"He didn't use to feel cold. In the winter he even walked on the street with T-shirt," she told the BBC Brasil.com
this just blows, and before anyone opens their bigh ****ing mouths, having been to sao paulo, and other slummy areas of brasil there is one thing that you do when a gun is pulled (no matter if by a favela kid, or the police)
YOU RUN LIKE HELL!!!!!
and yes 70 degree weather is cold as hell for a brasilian..
Relatives and friends of Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian man shot by police in London, have expressed their grief, shock and anger at the killing.
His London-based cousin, Alex Pereira, paid tribute to him but sharply criticised authorities for the error.
His grandmother said there was no reason for considering him a terrorist.
The 27-year-old was fatally shot after boarding a train at Stockwell underground station on Friday, a day after failed attacks on the network.
Climate of terror
The BBC's Steve Kingstone in Sao Paulo says there has been a lot of sympathy for London in Brazil over the bombings, together with an understanding of the need for tough police action.
He was the grandson that I always carried inside my heart, and I am terribly sad about what happened
Zilda Ambrosia de Figueiredo
But Brazilians are also strongly opposed to the Iraq war and there is still a lot of anger about the US invasion, he says.
They will be also be asking why someone lying on the floor and apparently offering no resistance was shot, according to eyewitnesses, five times in the head.
Our correspondent says the Brazilian government, while obviously sensitive to the broader climate of terror, is under pressure from its people to deliver answers.
It said in a statement it was shocked and perplexed, and expected a full explanation from the UK authorities.
'Full of life'
Details have been emerging about Mr Menezes - an apparently law-abiding citizen who was well-liked and as concerned as other Londoners about the bomb attacks.
Mr Pereira said his cousin was the son of a bricklayer and grew up in the city of Gonzaga in Minas Gerais state, a source of many migrants to Europe and the US.
He moved to Sao Paulo to live with his uncle at the age of 14, attended high school and became a qualified electrician.
He had lived and worked in London legally for at least three years and spoke excellent English.
The cousin described him as a "person full of life", adding that he was "a victim of government's mistakes."
"They had to kill someone to show the whole population they are working and make the country safe," he told the BBC.
"He does not have a past that would make him run from police," he added in an interview for Brazilian TV.
But the BBC's Tom Gibb in Brazil said Mr Menezes' experience of Sao Paulo's slum areas meant that he might - on the contrary - have run in reaction to having a gun pulled on him.
His grandmother, Zilda Ambrosia de Figueiredo, offered perhaps the most touching tribute.
She told Globo TV: "He was very easy going and very communicative with everyone."
"He was the grandson that I always carried inside my heart. And I am terribly sad about what happened."
Motorbike
Gésio César D'avila, a friend and colleague, said Mr Menezes had considered alternative transport after the failed attacks on 21 July.
"We were together on Thursday, and when we saw what happened, Jean said he wanted to buy a motorbike to avoid the tube," he said.
On Friday Mr Menezes had come out of his flat in Tulse Hill, south London, which he shared with cousins Vivian and Patricia.
He was thought to be on his way to fit a fire alarm.
The house had been under police surveillance because of a suspected link to Thursday's attempted bombings.
Police followed him as he caught a bus to Stockwell tube station.
They said Mr Menezes' apparently bulky clothing added to their suspicions. Some Brazilians find even summer weather in the UK cold and often dress warmly.
But cousin Patricia Armani said she did not remember him wearing a padded jacket.
"He didn't use to feel cold. In the winter he even walked on the street with T-shirt," she told the BBC Brasil.com
this just blows, and before anyone opens their bigh ****ing mouths, having been to sao paulo, and other slummy areas of brasil there is one thing that you do when a gun is pulled (no matter if by a favela kid, or the police)
YOU RUN LIKE HELL!!!!!
and yes 70 degree weather is cold as hell for a brasilian..
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I love how this story gets the views of the Brazilian people regarding Iraq, etc.
Listen, your ****ing son ran from the bobbies wearing a heavy jacket. He wasn't just running down the London streets. He ran into the subway station and onto a subway car for crying out loud:
You can't have it both ways, Dre. All that's on the bobbies mind is to get rind of any opportunity to detonate any possible device under that heavy coat. Just sucks that it wasn't a real terrorist. Had it been an actual terrorist who detonated the device you would have started a threat on how they failed.
Also, being a San Paulo resident holds no water when you're in Rome. You don't flash religious articles in Vietnam, you don't denounce Islam in Saudi Arabia, you empty your pockets in your Singaporean hotel for fear of littering the streets by accident, you don't travel on the opposite side in Tokyo or you'll be trampled, you pay your cab fare in New York, and you do not run from the cops toward the subway days after the subway attacks wearing a heavy jacket when you have a slight resemblance to past terrorists.
This guy killed himself for being a dumb ***. Period. If it wasn't for the outrage of many Id personally give these bobbies a medal for acting fast and diligently.
Listen, your ****ing son ran from the bobbies wearing a heavy jacket. He wasn't just running down the London streets. He ran into the subway station and onto a subway car for crying out loud:
The man shot Friday at the Stockwell subway station was identified as Jean Charles de Menezes, 27. Witnesses said he was wearing a heavy, padded coat when plainclothes police chased him into a subway car, pinned him to the ground and shot him five times in the head and torso in front of horrified passengers.
"This is a tragedy," Blair said Sunday of the shooting. "The Metropolitan Police accepts full responsibility for this. To the family I can only express my deep regrets."
He also defended the shoot-to-kill policy, saying such action only applied when lives were believed to be at risk.
"I am very aware that minority communities are talking about a shoot-to-kill policy," he said. "It's only a shoot-to-kill-in-order-to-protect policy."
"This is a tragedy," Blair said Sunday of the shooting. "The Metropolitan Police accepts full responsibility for this. To the family I can only express my deep regrets."
He also defended the shoot-to-kill policy, saying such action only applied when lives were believed to be at risk.
"I am very aware that minority communities are talking about a shoot-to-kill policy," he said. "It's only a shoot-to-kill-in-order-to-protect policy."
Also, being a San Paulo resident holds no water when you're in Rome. You don't flash religious articles in Vietnam, you don't denounce Islam in Saudi Arabia, you empty your pockets in your Singaporean hotel for fear of littering the streets by accident, you don't travel on the opposite side in Tokyo or you'll be trampled, you pay your cab fare in New York, and you do not run from the cops toward the subway days after the subway attacks wearing a heavy jacket when you have a slight resemblance to past terrorists.
This guy killed himself for being a dumb ***. Period. If it wasn't for the outrage of many Id personally give these bobbies a medal for acting fast and diligently.
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he didnt run from bobby's he ran from plain clothed men with guns...
BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!
dude i can honestly say rome DOESNT HOLD A ****ING CANDLE TO SAO PAULO, RIO, OR ANY OTHER MAJOR BRASILIAN CITY.
i have personaly been involved in 4 assaults while i was down there.. all 4 times guns were thrown in my face, once they shot 5 rounds into our BULLET PROOF HONDA CIVIC..
so dont give me that rome bull**** bro...
as for your line of thought..
you take a jungle cat out of the jungle and put him in the city he is still going to act in the same ways...
And i DO blame the bobbys, they ****ed the pooch on this big time.. they screwed up, and now they have to face the music. AN INNOCENT MAN LOST HIS LIFE, no matter if he ran, jumped, screamed, kicked, etc.. Shooting a man 5times in the head after you tackled him (AN INNOCENT MAN) is bull****..
What if he had a dead man switch? What then.. those actions would have caused the detonation of said invisible bomb.. what then?
in those situations you have to make split second judgement calls.. they made the wrong one..
plain and simple.. now they have to face the music like men.. and that music aint going to be pretty..
BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!
dude i can honestly say rome DOESNT HOLD A ****ING CANDLE TO SAO PAULO, RIO, OR ANY OTHER MAJOR BRASILIAN CITY.
i have personaly been involved in 4 assaults while i was down there.. all 4 times guns were thrown in my face, once they shot 5 rounds into our BULLET PROOF HONDA CIVIC..
so dont give me that rome bull**** bro...
as for your line of thought..
you take a jungle cat out of the jungle and put him in the city he is still going to act in the same ways...
And i DO blame the bobbys, they ****ed the pooch on this big time.. they screwed up, and now they have to face the music. AN INNOCENT MAN LOST HIS LIFE, no matter if he ran, jumped, screamed, kicked, etc.. Shooting a man 5times in the head after you tackled him (AN INNOCENT MAN) is bull****..
What if he had a dead man switch? What then.. those actions would have caused the detonation of said invisible bomb.. what then?
in those situations you have to make split second judgement calls.. they made the wrong one..
plain and simple.. now they have to face the music like men.. and that music aint going to be pretty..
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First of all your little comparisons to San Paulo are null and void based on the fact Jean lived in London for 3yrs (search)! I've seen foreigners learn English within a year of being in country. Its an asinine argument to not be able to adapt within weeks or months.
And don't act like you know about explosives because you don't. I don't care how much you've read-up on them you don't know ****. Not only do I have textbook knowledge of explosives but i've had direct training from master EOD technicians and Sappers on three weekend long occasions. I've even been cross trained on numerous occasions by those Sappers I had linked to my teams. I know a lot about basic charges and how to make them/use them. But when it comes to complex munitions I don't know how to make all the bells and whistles come together in the slightest.
But thinking you know about how to handle, apply and actually prep a bomb (let alone on a "dead man switch") is laughable. What if, what if, what if... Try and get some first hand experience before you go flapping your jaws. Contrary to popular belief, you don't know everything! You don't seem me going off about how to hack a computer, do you?
Furthermore, why aren't you ever willing to put yourself in the shoes of the bobbies and innocent people on the train? It's always some asinine argument you present based on an absolute without ever taking into consideration the given factors. Guess what?! The days of impartiality are long gone! You can thank Islamic extremists for your walk-on eggshells society we currently live in. Factors like the bobbies fear, the fact they could die and leave behind bastard children and widowed wives, the fact that if this guy managed to get the supposed bomb detonated it would have killed tons of people. If I saw this guy as one of the bobbies I would have ripped out his still-beating hard if it meant elliminating the possibility that he could be a bomber.
The London PD had intelligence to monitor his building because they thought it was a direct link to the bombers. Then add in the fact he was wearing a thick jacket and headed towards the subway. Then the guy ran from plainly-dressed bobbies and did so without even batting an eye or questioning the gunmens motives! Who does this unless you're in hot water or owe money to the mob?! Although the bobbies regret what happened, there's no need to take it beyond that. Accidents do happen and this is one of those unfortunate events. Hes a casualty of delicate times.
And don't act like you know about explosives because you don't. I don't care how much you've read-up on them you don't know ****. Not only do I have textbook knowledge of explosives but i've had direct training from master EOD technicians and Sappers on three weekend long occasions. I've even been cross trained on numerous occasions by those Sappers I had linked to my teams. I know a lot about basic charges and how to make them/use them. But when it comes to complex munitions I don't know how to make all the bells and whistles come together in the slightest.
But thinking you know about how to handle, apply and actually prep a bomb (let alone on a "dead man switch") is laughable. What if, what if, what if... Try and get some first hand experience before you go flapping your jaws. Contrary to popular belief, you don't know everything! You don't seem me going off about how to hack a computer, do you?
Furthermore, why aren't you ever willing to put yourself in the shoes of the bobbies and innocent people on the train? It's always some asinine argument you present based on an absolute without ever taking into consideration the given factors. Guess what?! The days of impartiality are long gone! You can thank Islamic extremists for your walk-on eggshells society we currently live in. Factors like the bobbies fear, the fact they could die and leave behind bastard children and widowed wives, the fact that if this guy managed to get the supposed bomb detonated it would have killed tons of people. If I saw this guy as one of the bobbies I would have ripped out his still-beating hard if it meant elliminating the possibility that he could be a bomber.
The London PD had intelligence to monitor his building because they thought it was a direct link to the bombers. Then add in the fact he was wearing a thick jacket and headed towards the subway. Then the guy ran from plainly-dressed bobbies and did so without even batting an eye or questioning the gunmens motives! Who does this unless you're in hot water or owe money to the mob?! Although the bobbies regret what happened, there's no need to take it beyond that. Accidents do happen and this is one of those unfortunate events. Hes a casualty of delicate times.
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"He had lived and worked in London legally for at least three years and spoke excellent English."
Ah, dre, you never disappoint.
You blame everyone but Jean Charles de Menezes for his death.
Tensions are high in England, especially London, & people need to remove their heads from their *****.
All he had to do was obey the police & stop running.
Don't give a **** if he grew up in the slummiest part of Sao Paulo, he was in England.
And in England there are no roving bands of murderous cyclohexane-huffing orphans for the late Jean Charles de Menezes to run from.
So, dre, how should the Special Services (not regular Bobbies) have handled Mr. Menezes?
Ah, dre, you never disappoint.
You blame everyone but Jean Charles de Menezes for his death.
Tensions are high in England, especially London, & people need to remove their heads from their *****.
All he had to do was obey the police & stop running.
Don't give a **** if he grew up in the slummiest part of Sao Paulo, he was in England.
And in England there are no roving bands of murderous cyclohexane-huffing orphans for the late Jean Charles de Menezes to run from.
So, dre, how should the Special Services (not regular Bobbies) have handled Mr. Menezes?
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nice she lived in london.. i have lived in SAO PAULO
salty, you just dont understand do you...
im not presenting EXCUSES, im presenting you a VIEW into the guys head (for as much as i can).
Mind showing me where he ran from uniformed bobbys? Cause all i have seen his he ran from plain clothed agents (most likely MI5).
as for explsovies.. i know much more then the common man, may not be an EOD tech but dotn kid your self im not some dumbass who thinks explosions are like they are in hollywood. i love it when you assume things man.. it makes me laugh..
fact of the matter is this..
Aggresive police force + Innocent ALARM INSTALLER with a SAO PAULO background = innocent man getting shot..
Dude was a fire alarm installer, he reportedly had finished installing a fire alarm in said house and was heading to another job. MI5 agents were watching the house (or london popo) and tracked him in a large jacket (he is brasilian 70 is cold for us) heading to the subway (to go to his next job). The cops most likely tried to intercept him, thus scaring the crap out of him as 5 armed gunmen running at you waving guns might do. Flight instinct kicked in and the race was on..
i dont think there could have been any worse of a situation for the poor guy and the cops involved.
And you bet your *** im not going to sit there and have a casual conversation with 5 men who point guns at me screaming and yelling.. IM ****ING GONE!
you would be stupid not to run if you ask me, unless of course they present you some form of ID immediatly (hence the whole "freeze this is the POLICE", and of course the PURPOSE OF A UNIFORM).
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"He had lived and worked in London legally for at least three years and spoke excellent English."
Ah, dre, you never disappoint.
You blame everyone but Jean Charles de Menezes for his death.
Tensions are high in England, especially London, & people need to remove their heads from their *****.
All he had to do was obey the police & stop running.
Don't give a **** if he grew up in the slummiest part of Sao Paulo, he was in England.
And in England there are no roving bands of murderous cyclohexane-huffing orphans for the late Jean Charles de Menezes to run from.
So, dre, how should the Special Services (not regular Bobbies) have handled Mr. Menezes?
Ah, dre, you never disappoint.
You blame everyone but Jean Charles de Menezes for his death.
Tensions are high in England, especially London, & people need to remove their heads from their *****.
All he had to do was obey the police & stop running.
Don't give a **** if he grew up in the slummiest part of Sao Paulo, he was in England.
And in England there are no roving bands of murderous cyclohexane-huffing orphans for the late Jean Charles de Menezes to run from.
So, dre, how should the Special Services (not regular Bobbies) have handled Mr. Menezes?
have i said anything but? Again pull your ****ing heads out for each others asses and READ WHAT THE **** I AM WRITING.
they ****ed up, he ****ed up, it IS ALL ****ED UP.
They shouldnt be so ****ing keen on allowing people under survellience to get to the ****ing metro stop in the first place.. if they are watching him that closely would it be that hard to duck him into a ****ing van or a building? NOPE
they screwed the pooch by watching to long if you ask me.. second he turned the corner and was out of view of the house douche rocket should have been jacked (maybe not around the corner but far nuff away to avoid possible CS from the baddies).
one more thing..
pull your heads out of your asses.
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one more thing oaf.. you have failed to miss the point..
in brasil the OFFICALS ARE the criminals, you are applying your cultural bias in this case as you dont associate police officers and people in positions of authority with contempt are as criminals.
So when someone runs up to you claiming to be a cop waving a gun, you sit that **** your pants, and HOPE they are telling the truth.
This guy wasnt going to stick around and find out of they were legit or not.
I HAVE SEEN COPS ROBB people in brasil.. out in the middle of the ****ing road in broad day light.
so dont tell me about what you have no ****ing clue about.. i know where dude is coming from and i can empathize with him. Do i think one party is to blame more then the other? (besides one pulling the trigger) NOPE
I can see it from both sides, and if i was the guy who tackled him i would have pulled the trigger as well. Plain and simple..
what you retards fail to see is that the circumstance surrounding this horrific accident are not as cut and dry as you would like to think they were.
AND THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ****ING RETARDS
get it yet?
in brasil the OFFICALS ARE the criminals, you are applying your cultural bias in this case as you dont associate police officers and people in positions of authority with contempt are as criminals.
So when someone runs up to you claiming to be a cop waving a gun, you sit that **** your pants, and HOPE they are telling the truth.
This guy wasnt going to stick around and find out of they were legit or not.
I HAVE SEEN COPS ROBB people in brasil.. out in the middle of the ****ing road in broad day light.
so dont tell me about what you have no ****ing clue about.. i know where dude is coming from and i can empathize with him. Do i think one party is to blame more then the other? (besides one pulling the trigger) NOPE
I can see it from both sides, and if i was the guy who tackled him i would have pulled the trigger as well. Plain and simple..
what you retards fail to see is that the circumstance surrounding this horrific accident are not as cut and dry as you would like to think they were.
AND THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ****ING RETARDS
get it yet?
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My goodness, you're angry.
And I almost always miss your points.
It's you with the cultural bias, not me.
No doubt in Brazil there is corruption and one must be careful when 5 armed men are running after you, claiming to be police.
However, since this was England, corruption isn't nearly as rampent and only the police have guns.
While the police have the ultimate responsibility in his death, there's a high probability that Mr Menezes would be alive today had he just obeyed the cops.
And I almost always miss your points.
It's you with the cultural bias, not me.
No doubt in Brazil there is corruption and one must be careful when 5 armed men are running after you, claiming to be police.
However, since this was England, corruption isn't nearly as rampent and only the police have guns.
While the police have the ultimate responsibility in his death, there's a high probability that Mr Menezes would be alive today had he just obeyed the cops.
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
Mind showing me where he ran from uniformed bobbys? Cause all i have seen his he ran from plain clothed agents (most likely MI5).
The point is that these were authoritative figures demanding he stop. Then he runs? Again, unless he had owed money to the mob the fact he ran is as big as a red flag gets. It's not like we're talking about your average San Paulo lynch mob or L.A. gangs wearing Fubu. We're talking authoritative bobbies that probably said "stop! Police!" (not sure about that though but you're almost certain they did. Also, don't forget he speaks fluent English on top of Portugese)
So the only logical explanation is that this guy was suicidal or grossly misinformed as to what happened in London days before.
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My goodness, you're angry.
And I almost always miss your points.
And I almost always miss your points.
Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
salty, you just dont understand do you...
Just like we can never grasp Scoobsport's numerous "points." It's because there's no point to be made.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
My goodness, you're angry.
And I almost always miss your points.
It's you with the cultural bias, not me.
No doubt in Brazil there is corruption and one must be careful when 5 armed men are running after you, claiming to be police.
However, since this was England, corruption isn't nearly as rampent and only the police have guns.
While the police have the ultimate responsibility in his death, there's a high probability that Mr Menezes would be alive today had he just obeyed the cops.
And I almost always miss your points.
It's you with the cultural bias, not me.
No doubt in Brazil there is corruption and one must be careful when 5 armed men are running after you, claiming to be police.
However, since this was England, corruption isn't nearly as rampent and only the police have guns.
While the police have the ultimate responsibility in his death, there's a high probability that Mr Menezes would be alive today had he just obeyed the cops.
how is it that i am suffering from cultural bias when i am presenting you with a glimpse into dudes background?
you missed it again.. at least you tried
never once did i say corruption is as bad in the UK as it is in brasil.. i am trying to give you background into the way the person could have been thinking. IT IS VERY COMMON IN BRASIL FOR SUCH THINGS TO HAPPEN. That being said dude was scared, and of course it is fight or flight.. you know which one he chose..
and i agree, but given the shoot to kill policy we cant say that he would have lived.. I mean they can shoot people on site if they are SUSPECTED to be involved.. suspected is pretty open to interpriation.
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Originally Posted by Salty
It's pretty apparent that you never read the posts. I mention they're dressed in normal attire in the 3rd sentence of the 4th paragraph in my 2nd post.
The point is that these were authoritative figures demanding he stop. Then he runs? Again, unless he had owed money to the mob the fact he ran is as big as a red flag gets. It's not like we're talking about your average San Paulo lynch mob or L.A. gangs wearing Fubu. We're talking authoritative bobbies that probably said "stop! Police!" (not sure about that though but you're almost certain they did. Also, don't forget he speaks fluent English on top of Portugese)
So the only logical explanation is that this guy was suicidal or grossly misinformed as to what happened in London days before.
Me too:
No worries, Paul. It's because our minds couldn't possibly be open to Dre's vast intelligence and logic. Just like we can never grasp Scoobsport's numerous "points." It's because there's no point to be made.
The point is that these were authoritative figures demanding he stop. Then he runs? Again, unless he had owed money to the mob the fact he ran is as big as a red flag gets. It's not like we're talking about your average San Paulo lynch mob or L.A. gangs wearing Fubu. We're talking authoritative bobbies that probably said "stop! Police!" (not sure about that though but you're almost certain they did. Also, don't forget he speaks fluent English on top of Portugese)
So the only logical explanation is that this guy was suicidal or grossly misinformed as to what happened in London days before.
Me too:
No worries, Paul. It's because our minds couldn't possibly be open to Dre's vast intelligence and logic.
Just like we can never grasp Scoobsport's numerous "points." It's because there's no point to be made.A. he was fully aware of the happenings of london, he even told a buddy he wanted to buy a motorcycle so that he wouldnt have to take the tube.
B. You missed my ****ing point. Just because someone says they are a cop and they are wearing normals clothes and waving a gun in your face DOESNT MEAN THEY ARE. Coming from a brasilian if someone waves a gun in your face and says they are a cop you run to the nearest UNIFORMED cop and hope he isnt in on it (or you just run like hell like dude did).
again, brasilians by nature DISTRUST people who claim to be authorities. its in our nature.
if i was in his shoes i dont know that i would have done anything different..
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No worries, Paul. It's because our minds couldn't possibly be open to Dre's vast intelligence and logic. Just like we can never grasp Scoobsport's numerous "points." It's because there's no point to be made.
and im not angry, i just dont see the point in beating around the ****ing bush is all, i know all of you ****ers, i respect all of you and expect you douches to not get all pissy about a bunch of ****************
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
again, brasilians by nature DISTRUST people who claim to be authorities. its in our nature.
Like Paul said, "Don't give a **** if he grew up in the slummiest part of Sao Paulo, he was in England.
And in England there are no roving bands of murderous cyclohexane-huffing orphans for the late Jean Charles de Menezes to run from."
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