Well my question is what are the chances of a wrx wining against a rx7.

93 rx7 turbo (auto) stock 51,000 miles
vs

2002 wrx (manual) 14,000 miles
Apexi n1 exhaust
intake removal
KN drop in filter
Tornado fuel saver
*Soon*
Front intercooler
By Blitz...

I know more about RX-7's sadly than WRX's hehe...but I'm pretty sure you'll grab the win, actually almost guaranteed unless you miss a shift or something like that. Plus your AWD launch will help out too, hehe gotta love WRX's man...can't wait to get mine!

The Rx 7 stock runs nearly 1 sec quicker to 60 and atleast that much faster in the quarter mile.

I don't believe your mods will overcome that gap.

I am not an RX-7 man either! I love their styling much more than the WRX but a relibility nightmare!

STEVE
Upstate NY
02 Aspen White WRX
PDE upipe
Bosal Downpipe
Tanabe Super Racing Medallion SS exhaust
Re-tuned ECU
^315 hp

i replied to your other post. You will win for sure. I like rx7's a ton more than wrx's but you will win. If it was a 5speed 7 you would loose though.... Reason being the auto 7's are slow, their 1/4 times are around mid 15's while the 5 speeds run in the mid 13's.

I have vast knowledge of RX7's especially the third genn's. I have a 516rwhp RX7 that has run a best of 10.73@128mph.
With regards to your race. I would say from a roll, it should be close, but on top end he will walk you in the 7. From a stop, you should take him, IF he's stock.

lol ernie a fellow rx7club member. Have you sold your 7 yet or are u keeping it?

Im selling the one I have and getting another for my 3 rotor (20B) project.

I bet there is not an RX-7 out there anymore that can run those good stock numbers. With alot of miles on the rotary engines there can be decreases in performance. At least that what my neighbor tells me who owns one.

Cook32

Originally posted by cook32
I bet there is not an RX-7 out there anymore that can run those good stock numbers. With alot of miles on the rotary engines there can be decreases in performance. At least that what my neighbor tells me who owns one.

Cook32

Your neighbor is wrong. Most RX7's have new motors by this time.

Sorry, my mistake. The rotary engines last for so little time that they HAVE to be replaced by now. And my neighbor only has about 60K on his and his apex seal is doing alright so he still has his oringinal motor.

Cook32

Originally posted by cook32
Sorry, my mistake. The rotary engines last for so little time that they HAVE to be replaced by now. And my neighbor only has about 60K on his and his apex seal is doing alright so he still has his oringinal motor.

Cook32

Wrong again, boy wonder....most people are ignorant, uninformed dwebes like yourself and don't do their research before they modify the car.

whatever you pompus *******. You are such an assuming piece of crap. It is people like you who think they know everything that make people modifying their car get a bad stigma. You prick

since you don't know who erniet is i will fill u in. He is a very respected rx7 owner. He attends many drag events and has one pretty ****en quik car. He knows his **** and i totally agree, the reason rx7's get a bad rep is because of dumbasses who mod to much before doing reliabilty mods.

Originally posted by ErnieT
Wrong again, boy wonder....most people are ignorant, uninformed dwebes like yourself and don't do their research before they modify the car.

No sense in attacking Cook, he showed no animosity towards you. He was just passing on some information he's heard. It's true, the long-term reliability of the FD is questionable. Don't have to show your bias through some snappy remarks.

U might be able to beat the RX7 if it is stock..........I have with almost the same mods.

I think both need to calm down a bit, but heck this is a 1/4 forum, you gotta expect it :)

Rotary engines create more horepower the more "broken in" they become. A rotary will make more and more power until the day it blows....

Rotary engines create more horepower the more "broken in" they become. A rotary will make more and more power until the day it blows.... I find this hard to accept coming from a crack head :D . So, if your RX-7 is running really good for some reason, you'd better be ready to buy a new engine b/c its about to blow up? Don't they call them "Wankel" engines? You probably know more about the RX-7 then I do, and I'm not testing your knowledge or anything so please don't get all steamed up.

-Charles

It is basically just breaking in every day, everything is seating more and more, and runs smoother, until they day it runs no longer...The wankels were designed to run under pressure, and running that engine just hones the fins to the right size until it goes... kablooy

Originally posted by ErnieT
Wrong again, boy wonder....most people are ignorant, uninformed dwebes like yourself and don't do their research before they modify the car.

just for fun...........i don't care if ernie is the president of the united freakin states of america.........he's still a loudmouth :)

he came out at this kid and ripped him a new one cause he was misinformed....I HATE THAT CRAP!!!!

nothing pisses me off more than when people think they are above others!!!

i was cruisin this post just reading around and then right smack dab in the middle of it ERNIE had a hissy fit and got all bent outta shape.......hey ernie...how bout next time you help out and offer the correct info instead of blasting off. since you're so smart......why don't you throw some of that info out for others so we can learn too????????? thanks ernie, jriggs

i beat a 11 sec 3rd gen rx 7. my best time driving the wrx is a 14.8. but i think the rules are if you have a better reaction time and you finish first then you win. thats what i did. better reaction and finished first. he blew his transfer case while launching from redline. ha ha. a win is a win rite. or am i just dumb.

was that one of those there 4wd rx7s? And yes, last I checked if you finish first you win no matter what your reaction time is...;)

i dont think they come in 4wd. but it was a rear wheel drive with massive nitto drag radials. those was some huge mofo tires. i believe he could of gotten into the ten easily. he broke 11's with out using his nitrous. but if that thing didnt break. he would of saw my tail lights like .8 of a sec then pulled away like i was parked.

I know they don't have 4wd, hence, they don't have a transfer case...
"he blew his transfer case while launching from redline. "

I was just bustin yer balls ;)

You're all going a little crazy with the "RX7's are diposable" theory. One of my close colleagues likes to make fun of the RX7's apex seal issues as well so I suppose it's to be expected.

To start off with, the person who originally posted the question was running his nearly unmodified WRX against an RX7 Turbo with relatively low miles.

The last FD I drove at a quarter mile track, ran 12.95 with a stock engine and clutch. The car had literally no modifications and was sporting over 70k at the time. Also keep in mind that the third gen RX-7 runs almost 10 miles an hour faster than the average stock WRX...that's a huge difference in trap time.

Fact is, the 13B series motor is very reliable, even past 100k, so long as you don't screw with the boost and timing without having a good knowledge of rotary tuning.

As for WRX's, mine went 14.16 completely stock and with a 1.8 60 foot time(California, with all cats on the car).

What I am saying here is that I sincerely doubt that, based on the car alone, the WRX is going to hold it's own at the track against a 93 FD.

If the driver of the WRX is really proficient and hammers out a 1.6 60' time, while the RX-7 driver sits there at the light playing with his "stick", he may take the win, but otherwise he's going to need an uppipe, downpipe, exhaust and a few more pounds of boost to run low 13's along the average FD.

In case any of you are wondering where I am getting all this info, I used to build and race RX7's and actually had an FC that was running high 10's all the way back in 1996(when that was still something to brag about).

I hope this helps clear up all the convoluted opinions about the RX7 and maybe a few about the WRX as well.

yeah those 13bt's are too sensitive to air/fuel mixtures. gotta get those 3mm apex seals... love them 3rd gens but just too dang sensitive.

Originally posted by Christian
yeah those 13bt's are too sensitive to air/fuel mixtures. gotta get those 3mm apex seals... love them 3rd gens but just too dang sensitive.

no not really, most people when doing rebuilds stick with the 2mm seals because the 3mm cost more since they dont fit as well (bigger duh) and the 2mm put out more power usually. The 3mm are really only if you do get detonation it can protect your engine better.

FD's are still the sexiest car of all time.

My 93rx7 eats corvettes.

interesting thread, so...did you ever end up racing? what were the results?

93-95 usdm rx7's are both the best and worst cars ever built imo. One of the lightest, fastest and well balanced cars around, not to mention god damn sexy looking, but mazda went and f***ed it all up by putting in a rotary motor. Why would they take possibly THE best engineered sports car of the 90's and stuff some crappy little 1.3 liter time bomb in the engine bay. IMO they would have been better off with str8 4 or 6. I know they were trying to save weight and weight displacement, but come on, imo those motors suck!

93-95 usdm rx7's are both the best and worst cars ever built imo. One of the lightest, fastest and well balanced cars around, not to mention god damn sexy looking, but mazda went and f***ed it all up by putting in a rotary motor. Why would they take possibly THE best engineered sports car of the 90's and stuff some crappy little 1.3 liter time bomb in the engine bay. IMO they would have been better off with str8 4 or 6. I know they were trying to save weight and weight displacement, but come on, imo those motors suck!

Er....how do you think it became one of the lightest and most well balanced cars around?

The engine is the reason...it's small and can be stuffed low and to the back thus giving yo the balance that you talk about.

If anything...they should've worked on the reliability before they sent it out to the world. I hear the Renesis rotary motor is a lot more reliable than the old rotary.

Er....how do you think it became one of the lightest and most well balanced cars around?

The engine is the reason...it's small and can be stuffed low and to the back thus giving yo the balance that you talk about.

If anything...they should've worked on the reliability before they sent it out to the world. I hear the Renesis rotary motor is a lot more reliable than the old rotary.


Well the renesis rotary engine is the one the rx8 are coming out with...but keep in mind... 12a and 13b (old shool) are well known all over the world... for its 6-7 second passes on 1/4 mile and over 1100 hp on an engine that hardly weighs 130lbs...i have much proof...jajja...family owns a 7 sec..mazda glc 79-81 hatchback...thats why...my next project in hawaii...bring over a rotary from puerto Rico...lol

Er....how do you think it became one of the lightest and most well balanced cars around?

The engine is the reason...it's small and can be stuffed low and to the back thus giving yo the balance that you talk about.

If anything...they should've worked on the reliability before they sent it out to the world. I hear the Renesis rotary motor is a lot more reliable than the old rotary.
yes the motor is light weight, but so is a i4, my complaint is that you can't do anything to the internals in order to beef them up for more boost, one of my friends had a 94 rx7 and he blew the motor 3 times before moving on to an s4.

yes the motor is light weight, but so is a i4, my complaint is that you can't do anything to the internals in order to beef them up for more boost, one of my friends had a 94 rx7 and he blew the motor 3 times before moving on to an s4.

you can cryo treat the internals and choose betweeen several types of apex seals depending on your application. Rotary engines run hot, so the cooling system needs upgrading or else the motor will burn up pretty quick.

Its funny to me when people say the rotary is unreliable when typically they are running a catless exhaust, single turbo, extra injectors...etc. Once you have doubled the whp in any car it becomes unreliable.

you can cryo treat the internals and choose betweeen several types of apex seals depending on your application. Rotary engines run hot, so the cooling system needs upgrading or else the motor will burn up pretty quick.

Its funny to me when people say the rotary is unreliable when typically they are running a catless exhaust, single turbo, extra injectors...etc. Once you have doubled the whp in any car it becomes unreliable.
The rotary is unreliable. I don't know of any other engine out there that needs to be babied as much as rx7 rotaries.
As far as doubling whp, of course any motor becomes questionable, but motors like sr20det's, 4g63's have parts available to handle increased hp #'s.
No motor out there self destructs as often as the 13b period.
Of course it is very possible to have many smoothly running, daily driver reliable rotaries, it all depends on the tuner and car setup. But when boosting heavily, its always nice to know that in a "conventional engine" you can replace internal engine components with stronger parts=rods, pistons, crank shaft etc.

you guys do know that you CAN get new, aftermartket lightwiegh,reinforced, or otherwise rotors for the RX7s. you can also get high performance seal kits, and everything else (or comperable) to a convetional engine. rotories can be very reliable if you know what you are doing. if you drag hardcore on teh weekends and do it for years, w/out a rebiuld of course its gonna go piff... but so will a boxer, i4,v8 and what not.

also to they guy that siad the mistake was putting the 1.3l in it. sorry to tell you this but if they put in a i4 or i6 they would have really tweaked w/ car balance since those engines weigh more they will offset the weight to the front and just throw crap off. think what would happen to the weight balance in a wrx if they put a inline 4 in it? you want a non rotory rx7? buy a miata.

IMHO in engine superiority it goes Boxers,Rotories,Inlines,Vs.

I would take a rotary any time for drag racing over anything...

how bout you race a rx7 instead of talking bout it and we will see who is right.

I'm going to see one race this weekend at Maui Raceway . I'll let you know the specific's . Later ....

Im in the mazda dismantler every day and they sell more rotors & housings than anything else i think... even though the rx7 isnt a very abundant car... one could make some inferences from this information...

I would take a rotary any time for drag racing over anything...

why is that? I know they make great topend, my dad owns a 6 speed rx-8, but damn... the torque is crap!

why is that? I know they make great topend, my dad owns a 6 speed rx-8, but damn... the torque is crap!

rx7 and rx8 are 2 totally different beasts. rx7 will smoke a rx8 any day. I have a 93 rx7. they dont have too much torque but once those turbos come online....hold on.